Originally posted by bulldog2k
Such as the Ion? 
Yes, but the ION is supposed to be the budget marker, so I expect the complete setup to be much cheaper.
With the hype it has recieved I expect to be blown away by the price.
Obviously you could get much better value with a preset and a different barrel. But there are some quality guns available on the classifieds for the £400 mark.
Originally posted by bulldog2k
Hence, this is not flaming - just friendly debate!
Dont worry Im pretty much unoffendable. People have tried they really have!!
Originally posted by bulldog2k
Where does the SP scepticism come from? WDP were just as guilty as SP by pursuing the SP legal approach (ie; own the patent to make the money)
Nothing to do with patents. Lets face it they got bitch slapped and made to look silly in the electro gun patent farce, so why would I dislike them for that.
I think they rely on hype and bull**** instead of properly designing their products.
Then you have companies like AGD who use engineering principles and scientific experiments to work out what makes a difference and what doesnt.
But because they dont pay a load of pro teams to use their gear and it doesnt sell nearly as well.
Maybe its not smart parts that I hate, but the mentality of paintballers in general. They take in all the SP hype without question. All it takes with alot of SPs claims is to look at what it actually does, not what they claim. Then you see through the crap straight away.
Originally posted by bulldog2k
And you'd extend that to freestyle's and trix's too?
Yeah.
Anything with that many moving orings doesnt make a great backup gun. I want to be able to grab my backup out of my gear bag after 6 months without needing to strip it and grease it. I wouldnt ever do that with a spool valve.
As a main gun a spool wouldnt be so bad, as you will be cleaning it and lubing it after you play anyway. (well you should be)
Originally posted by bulldog2k
For all of us who haven't tried one yet, that's still just speculation though, isn't it - informed speculation, mind
All of this is speculation. No one has used an ion for long enough to pass judgement either.
The Wrath works like a timmy, but instead of the expensive two way air switching noid, it has a one way solenoid and a spring to return the ram.
I really like the idea, its a really clever way of saving money. Maybe thats the only reason I like it.
Originally posted by bulldog2k
Maybe. Reliability - well, time will tell. With the exception of Size 6 Feet, people seems pretty happy from that point of view.
In an entire day of tournament play, I didn't NEED to fieldstrip the bolt on the Ion.
You will need to fieldstrip the bolt one day.
I have airbags on my car. I drive it around trying not to crash and I dont need to use the airbags, but when I do I will be glad of them.
Originally posted by bulldog2k
And you didn't mention weight
Using a 0.8 bottle makes my gun lighter than 90% of tourney setups.
That and the weight of your hopper is a much bigger factor than saving a few ounces on your gat.
I also shoot quite alot of paint, so for me, using an ion is out of the question. Even with the QEV mod my Ir3 blows it out of the water efficiency wise.
In fact my ir3 is far more efficient than the new angels. So even though I own a newer angel I use my '3.
Its a bit early days for the Ion vs Wrath debate, but i think the wrath has the edge because its a tried and tested design with a clever twist. But thats just my opinion.
All I can suggest to people is dont believe the hype and dont believe the opinions of people who are 'paid' to hold a certain opnion.
