Eventhough you "just followed the behaviour of others" as you claim, does that make it any better? You then just lower yourselves to the very same level as of those you think is acting unfair and unsportsman-like.....
Shockwave and Madrid
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It's official: counter coaching is the new wiping...'you did it...no, you did...you did it first...everyone does it so we do too...ad nauseam'.
I'm bored of it already.
I'm bored of it already.
DomDomingos Leitão said:Hi all
Just registered to tell you guys a bit of the "crowd problems" in Madrid...and in other venues of the MS this year.
I am laughing for a few minutes when i read something like it started in XSV game and ended there...
Saturday against Oslo Menace, we tried to coach XSV but we did not have the chance, because we had several nordic guys countercoaching.... but i bet noone noticed that.....and i bet this doesnt qualify as "crowd problems".
In Bitburg we had real crowd problems, in a game between Frankfurt Syndicate and a french team. The germans had some toys that made such a noise that prevented any coaching. The french didn´t like it and threw empty and full beer cans on the german, but this might not be a crowd problem.
Back to madrid, XSV against Schockwave, the shock supporters on sunday morning didn´t let us coach just like the nordic in the day before, then we thought ok if we can´t fight them lets join them, and we started singing....in both sides of the field, if we cant coach then they wont either... seems fair to me....
But i understand you, since it was a bunch of portuguese guys and midget girls, its a crowd problem....
Lets see in Paris if it is just the Portuguese that will counter coach
Congratulations to Schockwave, they did very well in Madrid, but the portuguese XSV have made a suberb campaign this year. From division 2 right up to CPL and not embarassing our little country.
Regards and see you in Paris.
Domingos
If you had problems with some Nordic team or teams take it up with them, I wont patrol the sidelines looking for trouble in any game only when it affects my job and my teams ability, do I notice it.
I dont mind cheering and singing from the crowd in the stand as its a distance away.
As for our match against XSV, I dont know what end you started to watch at
I would say the XSV end to coach and I am telling you straight what started at the Shock end of the field, started the trouble for the whole match
Having the foresight to have 2 girls follow me around constantly wolf whistling in my ear from game on is unsportsmanlike.
Was it your intention to send 15-20 people to the Shockwave end of the field from game on because of idiots at other events, probably not but someone did and he wasnt Japanese
We have played Paintoon/XSV at every event this year to date, and have a great amount of respect for the way these guys have represented themselves on and off the field, we havent had any trouble between us at other events, so why start now
Or are you saying I have to pay for a German guys error in Bitburg and the French in Marseiile?
I dont want you to pay a fine if a Portuguese guy pisses in the street in Oxford street, and I dont wanna pay a fine if an English bloke does it in Lisbon
Stop feeling so sorry for yourself and picked on. The first tournament I go over the snakeside and the only time I have seen this sort of trouble at any event to date, perhaps Paris will show me other countries getting upto this sort of spoiling, lets see
Crowd trouble in my veiw is when its planned and when it nearly gets to punches being thrown, having 40 people supporting from right on the tape is not helpful when they go to both ends at game start
If thats happened at other events it needs to be sorted quick
Your play this year is an exeptional achievement without doubt, but I asked politely for the Portuguese crowd standing at the Shock end to respect myself and my team
If you missed it because you started at XSV end you must be deaf and blind to see what was coming your way
Its very easy to blame it on other people Dom but as it stands your points dont stack up
Giles
Irony
Hello Giles,
I also don't support behaviour like you described, we've never met, but you seem to be a credit to our sport and obviously, you don't support unsportsmanship behaviour either.
I also appreciated the kind words for our teams and return in kind congratulating you for your win against XSV's portuguese chapter.
However, in this situation, it seems clear that once again the problem was with the conditions of the playing fields. You are right, spectators have no business being in the coache's area. This was the major issue, was it not?
But what I think Domingos was trying to say is, that this reaction by the portuguese crowd was a counter-reaction of what they saw earlier, as was also your latter reaction of calling your friends that by your description, I take it, were not midgets.
This was probably not a very mature way of responding, agreed.
Maybe their behaviour got somewhat out of hand, but what was your intention when you called upon your (bigger) friends? Was it to throw them out? Make them stop? Didn't you think that maybe responding to the situation in a similar way, by calling bigger and more muscular friends, was going to end up in big trouble? Was if these friends shoved a midget, and then the midgets rebelled? What would happen then? Would we have a remake of David Portugal vs. Goliath UK? Would that've been ok?
Why don't we take this opportunity to bash some more in Pedro's organization (even though he is portuguese, but not a midget) and stop generating bad blood between our teams? Afterall, Portugal is England's oldest ally.
Finally, I can't help but to notice the irony of the situation were English supporters declare ill sportsmanship from other country's supporters...
Best regards,
Rui
Hello Giles,
I also don't support behaviour like you described, we've never met, but you seem to be a credit to our sport and obviously, you don't support unsportsmanship behaviour either.
I also appreciated the kind words for our teams and return in kind congratulating you for your win against XSV's portuguese chapter.
However, in this situation, it seems clear that once again the problem was with the conditions of the playing fields. You are right, spectators have no business being in the coache's area. This was the major issue, was it not?
But what I think Domingos was trying to say is, that this reaction by the portuguese crowd was a counter-reaction of what they saw earlier, as was also your latter reaction of calling your friends that by your description, I take it, were not midgets.
This was probably not a very mature way of responding, agreed.
Maybe their behaviour got somewhat out of hand, but what was your intention when you called upon your (bigger) friends? Was it to throw them out? Make them stop? Didn't you think that maybe responding to the situation in a similar way, by calling bigger and more muscular friends, was going to end up in big trouble? Was if these friends shoved a midget, and then the midgets rebelled? What would happen then? Would we have a remake of David Portugal vs. Goliath UK? Would that've been ok?
Why don't we take this opportunity to bash some more in Pedro's organization (even though he is portuguese, but not a midget) and stop generating bad blood between our teams? Afterall, Portugal is England's oldest ally.
Finally, I can't help but to notice the irony of the situation were English supporters declare ill sportsmanship from other country's supporters...
Best regards,
Rui
I'll say two things about this:
First of all, I do feel the Syndicate spectators in Bitburg and the XSV spectators in Madrid behaveded extremely unsportsmanlike.
BUT... I would also like to remark, that the M7 rules don't actually mention coaches on the spectator side of the field (as far as I know - please correct me if I am wrong...) - and as such, no coach or supporter can expect any special consideration when being on the spectator side of the field... in fact I am surprised so much consideration has been shown to them so far
Easiest way to fix it, would be to put up a 10 yard zone between the netting and the spectators (and coaches as the case may be) - because that way nobody can efficiently coach from that side, which will make the game a lot more exiting anyway.
Nick
First of all, I do feel the Syndicate spectators in Bitburg and the XSV spectators in Madrid behaveded extremely unsportsmanlike.
BUT... I would also like to remark, that the M7 rules don't actually mention coaches on the spectator side of the field (as far as I know - please correct me if I am wrong...) - and as such, no coach or supporter can expect any special consideration when being on the spectator side of the field... in fact I am surprised so much consideration has been shown to them so far
Easiest way to fix it, would be to put up a 10 yard zone between the netting and the spectators (and coaches as the case may be) - because that way nobody can efficiently coach from that side, which will make the game a lot more exiting anyway.
Nick
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It's official: counter coaching is the new wiping...'you did it...no, you did...you did it first...everyone does it so we do too...ad nauseam'.
I'm bored of it already.Ken.
Back on point massive well done to Shockwave. Coming up BIG in europe this year!
You can't, because that will remove spectator participation, which is great for the sport.
But, increase the distance to the netting, and coaches will become inefficient
Nick
Ruirpcruzr said:Hello Giles,
I also don't support behaviour like you described, we've never met, but you seem to be a credit to our sport and obviously, you don't support unsportsmanship behaviour either.
I also appreciated the kind words for our teams and return in kind congratulating you for your win against XSV's portuguese chapter.
However, in this situation, it seems clear that once again the problem was with the conditions of the playing fields. You are right, spectators have no business being in the coache's area. This was the major issue, was it not?
But what I think Domingos was trying to say is, that this reaction by the portuguese crowd was a counter-reaction of what they saw earlier, as was also your latter reaction of calling your friends that by your description, I take it, were not midgets.
This was probably not a very mature way of responding, agreed.
Maybe their behaviour got somewhat out of hand, but what was your intention when you called upon your (bigger) friends? Was it to throw them out? Make them stop? Didn't you think that maybe responding to the situation in a similar way, by calling bigger and more muscular friends, was going to end up in big trouble? Was if these friends shoved a midget, and then the midgets rebelled? What would happen then? Would we have a remake of David Portugal vs. Goliath UK? Would that've been ok?
Why don't we take this opportunity to bash some more in Pedro's organization (even though he is portuguese, but not a midget) and stop generating bad blood between our teams? Afterall, Portugal is England's oldest ally.
Finally, I can't help but to notice the irony of the situation were English supporters declare ill sportsmanship from other country's supporters...
Best regards,
Rui
Of course my comment about 2 girls sent to destroy my attempt to coach people as being midgets, I beleive you would extend me that pleasure as I stand no taller than them myself and I am a bloke.
I am the kettle calling the pot black, whether its politically correct or not I am not sure, shall I change it to they were extremely short, like me
If you misunderstood my comments for attempting to get help, its like being surrounded by a hungry pack of wolves, you want some protection Rui
I wanted someone not bigger or stronger just someone to support me, to help IF things got out of hand, they did in my mind
Surrounded by 15-20 people in my mind at the wrong end of the field with only one intention is wrong, and it was premeditated as well
20+ at the other end as well is fine as they will support there team
I dont want any bad blood between anyone, I have always got on very well with most teams off the playing field, not always the same on field (small person syndrome) It wasnt so much David vs Goliath as you put it, I think you would have noticed about 50 on 15 in your favour
I dont want to get involved in Pedro bashing, if thats what interests anyone else feel free
I love Madrid and Spain and want it to be involved in Paintball for many reasons, The warmth of the people, the Sun etc etc etc
Yours truly
The midget Giles
Nick, KenNick Brockdorff said:
I think if they allowed a sectioned off area for coaches it would help, like Germany.
But they must enforce only the coaches or official representatives marked on the roster, like I do for pit crew now
The crowd needs to be kept back from side lines. Fights will occour, people on the sidelines just get too much into the game.
The official Xball rules have a minimum distance from the player side of the field, and the netting / boundry. This is nescessary to keep spectators from making a MAJOR impact on the game.
Counter Coaching sucks, and it ruins the game for everyone involved, except for the few who get their jollies from being maliscious.
It needs to be stopped, and the promoters must deal with this in the way they set up the event.
I perdict if nothing is done, that there will be a serious fight between spectators before the year is out.
Police will be called... charges laid.
Think about it, how heated a football match gets, and how badly the fans can react.
The official Xball rules have a minimum distance from the player side of the field, and the netting / boundry. This is nescessary to keep spectators from making a MAJOR impact on the game.
Counter Coaching sucks, and it ruins the game for everyone involved, except for the few who get their jollies from being maliscious.
It needs to be stopped, and the promoters must deal with this in the way they set up the event.
I perdict if nothing is done, that there will be a serious fight between spectators before the year is out.
Police will be called... charges laid.
Think about it, how heated a football match gets, and how badly the fans can react.