Scenario games...

[kris]

Ok, I'm looking now.

Originally posted by Tyger



For some of you, TJ and kris, who say that it's harmelss fun

-Tyger

I never meant that Tyger. What i was saying is that these things need the upmost respect.
I personally would love to play this game, but i wouldn't just out of respect.
But If they were to play this game then i can't see it being any different than reenacting it on a computer game, Medal of Honour AA. Its down to the individual feelings about it.

personally i'm a tourny player through and through. Don't like to get muddy and my hair has to stay cool Now where did i leave that caviar and lobster?

 

[Tyger]

I fail to find the humor in that.

Originally posted by Baca Loco

...The "scenarios" in scenario games are rationales for 200 or 300 paintballers to get together in a big patch of woods and shoot at each other.
...
There's plenty of other more important things to be offended by the world. Just MHO.

Are you saying, Tyger, that if we elect a democrat next time there won't be any war scenario games? Or they'll be universally frowned on?

PS--didn't know you drove a 99 Ford pickup.

In reverse order :

I don't.

If you don't remember the Regan years then you don't deserve to comment on them.

Yes, there are other things ot be concerned about, but all it takes is one vet or one wife of a vet to get torqued off, and we are ALL in trouble.

As far as the scenario not making any diffrence, you're right. But, if it were really so, then you could make a scenario game with no basis in reality and get just as many people involved as you could in a "Nam scenario". Fact is, you don't.

-Tyger

 

[RePete]

Re: Ok, I'm looking now.

Originally posted by Baca Loco
RePete--good to see you all getting American TV. Does it take 25 years to get down under?

Bleah! Don't age me any more than I already am...It's only 20 years...

Oh well. The JT thing was funny for about 0.5 seconds.

And I'm afraid I'm an American...I just knew when to get outta Dodge. Well it's not quite like that. NZ is jus a nice place to live. Been here for 14 years.

And I must say "Wow". Not the responce I expected from Tyger. Guess that shows I didn't know him like I thought I did. Well I don't really know him at all at the end of the day...

 

[Baca Loco]

I fail to find the humor in that.

Originally posted by Tyger

If you don't remember the Regan years then you don't deserve to comment on them.

Yes, there are other things ot be concerned about, but all it takes is one vet or one wife of a vet to get torqued off, and we are ALL in trouble.

As far as the scenario not making any diffrence, you're right. But, if it were really so, then you could make a scenario game with no basis in reality and get just as many people involved as you could in a "Nam scenario". Fact is, you don't.

-Tyger

Actually that would be Reagan years, which I remember just fine. Was merely amused by your correlation.

We are ALL in trouble? How's that?

Let's see, the current issue of a paintball magazine has ads for 5 scenario games; "3 Wise Men," "The Montauk Incident," "Spoils of War," with the ad images being a pirate chest, a diamond ring, a paintball gun and the Mona Lisa; "Alien Attack," and "D-Day."
I would posit on the basis of these ads the fact is, they do.

 

[Tyger]

Originally posted by Baca Loco

Actually that would be Reagan years, which I remember just fine. Was merely amused by your correlation.

We are ALL in trouble? How's that?

Let's see, the current issue of a paintball magazine has ads for 5 scenario games; "3 Wise Men," "The Montauk Incident," "Spoils of War," with the ad images being a pirate chest, a diamond ring, a paintball gun and the Mona Lisa; "Alien Attack," and "D-Day."
I would posit on the basis of these ads the fact is, they do.

So I missed the "a" onthe keys. Oh well.

You'll be getting some e-mail in a while on the trouble bit.

And out of those 5 scenario games, 2 are obviously ar based.

I don't like where this is goin.

-Tyg

 

[mrstewie]

My grandfather fought in WW2 and I would have no problem with a 2nd world war scenario but it should be done with respect for all those who died (on both sides).
Infact whenever I have played paintball, apart from having a great time, I also leave the field feeling very humbled ( maybe its just me). If someone gets shot on tv, its usually in the arm or leg, when you get hit in paintball it can be anywhere and I can now realise just how terrifying and gruesome it must have been.
I already had a great respect for my grandfather and those boys but since playing my respect has grown even more.
If done right, this could be a great way to educate people, if you get to experience even just 1000th of a fraction of what our forefathers did I feel you would never want it to happen again.
Thats my thoughts.

 

[Darkwerks]

Originally posted by mrstewie
My grandfather fought in WW2 and I would have no problem with a 2nd world war scenario but it should be done with respect for all those who died (on both sides).

Mrs. Tewie
so you'd have no problems with honouring the Japanese prison camp guards who executed escaping English prisoners? Or worked and starved prisoners to death? Or the Wermacht soldiers who murdered French civilians in retaliation for resistance activities in Occupied France? Or the SS who rounded up Polish jewsto be sent to Auschwits? Or the Italians who bombed Ethiopian villages?

 

[MidgetFista]

One of the main problems with games based on historical events is how shallow they seem to be put across.

The "kids" playing in these "recreations (sp....Also, i don't consider it that since it means that is EXACTLY the same), only see one side of the war, and the rest of the issues at that time are totally disregarded, the scenario designers only put in what is deemed "fun", and if it an't fun leave it out. Well,wtf is fun about war?

As tyger said, i believe to be blood money also, and its the corporations milking something for money at its finest. Great confirmation of this is the actual settings of the games. For what i see around the web most are based on WWI,WWII and Vietnam. How often do you see a "amazing recreation of the Falklands!!!!! with over 200000 people!!!" Never, cuz it simply isn't a moneywinner.

You never (or not that I’ve seen) see these games in the UK, and i hope we never do. This may or may not be due to the past lack of interest in big games over here, or maybe its a matter of respect, who knows.

Don't get me wrong, this is far and away not the only market that does it, hollywood has been doing it for years and twisting facts of situations in the world wars for the benefit of a box office smash! (since when did the yanks crack the Enigma code )

There is something quite disturbing about 13y/o+ kids running around pretending to be VC, it gives a massively inaccurate representation of what happened in those battles.

I don't see what the problem is with only having scenario games on events that have not happened. I'd feel more then comfortable to play a Storm Trooper, or a 3 headed alien, end of the day its to the same result, a great game of paintball (without treading on anyone’s toes!)

Paintball markers arn't M16's, so why pretend (no matter HOW much tippmann want them to look like them)

I appreciate the scenario game industry is much bigger in the states, and I’ve got nothing but respect for the comments tyger has written, as i can see the sense in them all.

-Midge


"I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

 

[Jones the Paint Magnet]

Absolutely. Paintball, like any other combat sport, is only enjoyable once the lethal part is removed. That way you can concentrate on the skills, tactics, competition etc, which is what I always thought made these things enjoyable.

There is a deep human fascination with war - particularly with those who have never had to endure it, which is fortunately most of us. In the early days, a lot of sites were capitalising on this "hook" to bring in trade - and this rubbed off on everything, including the tourney teams. Perhaps it's time we all started growing up - I certainly don't mind what scenarion is played - fictional war (BG2K2), sci-fi, south park: I'm just here to enjoy myself - something that's considerably more difficult to do with a drill instructor making you run 'till you puke or shells exploding next to you.

There'll always be someone who thinks a suit of cammies is something other than a tool for woodlands, although one military person I know who plays has never treated paintball as anything other than a good laugh - perhaps it's us civvies who need to re-educate ourselves about what war is and isn't, and behave accordingly and respectfully.

 

[hyawge]

War is evil

I think the publics got a stereotypical view of paintballers. They asume were all wannabe soldiers running round the woods shooting each other with dulux. I do enjoy rec-ball and I do enjoy using stealth tactics which are possible when u are wearing camo. I dont mean sniping because I dont think thats the way paintball should be played and it should be more about manouveres or tactics. Theres something exilarating about not knowing if someones about to jump out of a bush and shoot you. When I play I dont think im rambo (Im usually the gobby one yelling "come and get me you *********" ) and I just get on with having a laugh. I think most people think in the same way. Paintball is not war cos war is hell on earth and it should not be glamarized in any way shape or form. Thats why i enjoy films like black hawk down cos after seeing it your sat their shocked and almost depressed and realizing warfare is not good.
I think speedball helps to stop these stereotypes and shows people we dont think were at war and that paintball is a fun sport to participate. People still enjoy certain aspects of rec-ball and theres nothing wrong with that but i personally think scenario games based on real battles are disrespectfull to the people who fought in them and will continue to inspire 'rambo' stereotypes of paintballers.