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JAC

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@sjt19:
You're right. I forgot they went to the States early. It is silly to think that they hadn't that considered.
Probably you are right. But I'm very curious to see if all the rigourous training gave indeed the edge over the American teams ;)
But again the americans won't throw the towel easily... so I'll just wait here for the result for further comments ;)

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i've said something like that before too Pete;

The Americans will do everything they can to stop RL from winning. Second place? sure, but under no circumstances will they let the Russians win. It's just not American... it will be impossible for the judges to be unbiased, it will be impossible for there to not be outside interference. I'm not saying they won't win, but i'm sure there will be all sorts of controvercy along the way. But if Sergi is as smart as he's supposed to be (and everything iv'e seen so far supports this) then he will have anticipated this, and have some sort of strategy for dealing with it.


still, a win is a win, and if one thing is for sure, Sergi will be analysing what happened, and making some changes.

Looking at the schedule, they play Infamous next, and i believe this will be their biggest test. Then they still have Dynasty or the Dogs to play, there's just so many good teams there... makes me wish i was there too!
 

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Originally posted by Red_Merkin
i've said something like that before too Pete;

The Americans will do everything they can to stop RL from winning. Second place? sure, but under no circumstances will they let the Russians win. It's just not American... it will be impossible for the judges to be unbiased, it will be impossible for there to not be outside interference.
Next maybe we can insist on unbiased refs for the Mil series too 'cus the RL ain't won any of them either. Or maybe the PSP ought'a fly over a passle of Brit refs 'cus there's never any problems with officials at Brit tournies.
 

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
Next maybe we can insist on unbiased refs for the Mil series too 'cus the RL ain't won any of them either. Or maybe the PSP ought'a fly over a passle of Brit refs 'cus there's never any problems with officials at Brit tournies.
In your opinion is the level of reffing in Div.1 X-Ball of such
that the USA/Soviet ''former'' rivalry is of no influence ?
 

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Originally posted by Markie X
In your opinion is the level of reffing in Div.1 X-Ball of such
that the USA/Soviet ''former'' rivalry is of no influence ?
I doubt many American 'ballers give a single thought to a USA/Soviet rivalry, however if the Russians play a perfectly clean game they are certainly putting themselves at a disadvantage. Nearly every team here in the US will push the "grey area" and the refs are not competent enough to catch every instance of playing on, wiping etc.
 

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OK, let's cut the crap here, I am not for one second saying there is any design in any Yank refs doing favours for their own teams with respect to the Russians, so I don’t think as Colin (Red Merkin) suggests that it's a case of they 'won't let the Russians win'.

But.....I will say this much, individual decisions will be made by judges that will favour the home side, I have been there, seen it, heard it, and on the beneficial end of it (All Americans and Aftershock), it happens, just like playing on does.

Waving flags ain't gonna change that one iota.
Secondly, there is a difference between Euro teams playing over there and Yank teams playing over here and it is not because us Euros are inherently fairer judges, it's more to do with us Euros not identifying ourselves as Euros, we are either English, French, German or whatever.

Millennium events are judged by a multinational staff, so if the Yanks are playing the Swedes and the French are judging, there is less liable to be continental bias going on.

I have to say, when the Russians played in the Pittsburgh XBall Nation's cup against the Yanks, the American judging crew there were exemplary with absolutely no bias whatsoever so it can be achieved.
In some senses this bias has less to do with nationality and more to do with 'faces' you know or are friendly with and this is because when Americans are judging Americans, there is much more chance for bias to flourish as against Europeans judging Europeans.
Americans are much more likely to be friendly with other Americans than say the French with the English.
Not national bias really, more like personal bias so no need to wave any flags here Paul, just take solace in the fact you can say that your 300 million peoples are more united than ours.
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
Actually Sam, Lanche ain't got their best player with them, they played several games with only four players, not because of penalties but because they didn't get five players on the field in time for start and also, two of their players have got the trots after a recent visit to Mexico.............but apart from that...Lanche are a pretty good team :)
I think Legion should have beat them easier.

As for your last point, I tend to agree mate.
Then surely that proves my point? The fact that Legion fought a close game with an understrength Lanche adds credibility to what i suggested. That the Legion are a world class team, but not on a higher plane than Lanche merely an equal one. One wonders what would have happened if Lanche had had their best player (am assuming its either Dave or Glen) and had not had to play with 4 in one squad, whether the outcome would have been the same?

Why did the Legion not win more easily, against a team with only 4 players in one squad and missing their best player? Factors that may effect other teams such as a hostile foreign setting, playing the best players in the world, shouldnt affect the Legion due to their approach to the game. However it would be naive to expect those factors not to affect the Legion even a little bit. Maybe they were unused to a team pushing and matching them point for point? Maybe they were suprised to be losing for most of the match and having to come from behind?
 

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Pete.

Pittsburgh 2002 reffing..

You keep telling us that the reffing in the X-ball Nations cup in Pittsburgh was fair. I dont know if you was watching the same event as I did, beacuse it wasnt.
Everybody also keep saying that the US team was penalized more than anybody else. Yes they was but they wasnt close to what they should have got.
Also the Us teams got penaltys whenever they was way infront with points. But none when the game was close.
In our game against the US we got the penaltys and the US didnt.

The reffs on that field that you have praised so much was biased and incompetent. Opie and Andy was the only guys that tried to reff fair and actuelly tried to get the others to reff unbaised.
Or how about the 2 reffs that when the game is tied 7-7 is chanting "USA USA" to the crowd between the quarters. Or the little girl that runs up to Alex every game when he slides in to the back corner and screams your out. Without even checking him? Every game! He didnt leave until someone showed him a hit but he had to start every game with a 30 second argument...

No Pete thoose reffs sucked, And trust me when it comes to reffing I know what Im talking about.

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Pete.

Originally posted by Magued
Pittsburgh 2002 reffing..

You keep telling us that the reffing in the X-ball Nations cup in Pittsburgh was fair. I dont know if you was watching the same event as I did, beacuse it wasnt.
Everybody also keep saying that the US team was penalized more than anybody else. Yes they was but they wasnt close to what they should have got.
Also the Us teams got penaltys whenever they was way infront with points. But none when the game was close.
In our game against the US we got the penaltys and the US didnt.

The reffs on that field that you have praised so much was biased and incompetent. Opie and Andy was the only guys that tried to reff fair and actuelly tried to get the others to reff unbaised.
Or how about the 2 reffs that when the game is tied 7-7 is chanting "USA USA" to the crowd between the quarters. Or the little girl that runs up to Alex every game when he slides in to the back corner and screams your out. Without even checking him? Every game! He didnt leave until someone showed him a hit but he had to start every game with a 30 second argument...

No Pete thoose reffs sucked, And trust me when it comes to reffing I know what Im talking about.

Magued
Mag, I try to 'speak as I find' mate, and for us, those refs were cool but we didn't play the US in that tourney but I did see the Yanks play a lot of other nation teams and yes there were mistakes made and you guys did have bad decisions go against you but I can't remember seeing any deliberate mis-calls, tho, I would tend to believe your side of things more in this case because I wasn't actually playing in the game, merely watching them from a distance.
One of the circumstantial pieces of evidence I based my assumption on was the fact the Yanks were penalty pointed more than any other team...by far, in that sense they were a disgrace and with all the bonus balling they were doing as well, it all left a bitter taste in my mouth.