Rumor or trial balloon?

[Baca Loco]

The paperwork being sent back & forth between the NPPL/Pure Promotions and the Pro team owners originally stipulated that there would be 3 teams relegated and 1 team promoted.

Ha! So less a rumor or trial balloon than an actual plan. Gee, dissent, I'd take a closer look at the whole baby eating thing if I were you.

Chuck--even I wouldn't guess at how the SP factor plays out in this one and as far as I'm concerned the only sure thing is to earn promotion. And of course we're only Miami as long as BG wants us to be.

 

[JtJ]

CHUCKC: I think the two issues are tangential but not directly related. One is the operations of the league as it stands today, the other is speculation about how to properly amalgamate the two leagues. I think the first (3-up & 3-down or whatever) plays out and then the merger is seen to. Baca is 100% correct, the only sure way is to earn a spot in the NPPL Semi-Pro ranks this year.

BACA: from what I gather, it was a thought that was put to paper and almost immediately discarded. As things stand now, this is a moot point; 3 teams will be relegated and 3 promoted.

 

[Baca Loco]

BACA: from what I gather, it was a thought that was put to paper and almost immediately discarded. As things stand now, this is a moot point; 3 teams will be relegated and 3 promoted.

Which is as it should be. Given the instant pooh-poohing I'm glad to see there was a basis in fact. At this point it's apparently moot but I'm curious as to what motivated floating the original idea.

 

[ChuckC]

And of course we're only Miami as long as BG wants us to be.

True...although the Raiders are thus far producing much better results than BG's Effect team, so I'd assume he's fairly happy with how that's going. But, it could throw even another wrinkle in...if the Raiders earn their spot by placement in semi-pro, AND the two leagues combine...BG could then find another team to play in his freebie spot, let Doc have his own, earned spot, and get another SP team in the league...

As the paintball turns...

 

[MissyQ]

sorry, I missed most of this, what was Baca going on about again? Conspiracy what?

If MR were promoted, and there was a merger of the leagues, I would 'assume' that only the teams without an existing NPPL Pro spot would need to be amalgamated into the 18. This would mean that Docs/SP would not get a 'bonus spot', otherwise so would Ironmen, Assassins/Infamous, Dynasty, XSV, and a plethora of others. That wouldn't work at all. Am I missing something?

 

[Baca Loco]

Very weak, Missy. Still recuperating from a long weekend? What conspiracy? The NPPL puts forward the idea of dropping three and only promoting one and it's another of my conspiracies? And, seriously, if it was just some random idea--a little brainstorming, how come it was in writing and presented to the teams? Somebody thought it was a good idea for whatever reason.

Care to comment on the notion of Chuck being the final arbiter of disputed calls in the NPPL?

 

[Chicago]

otherwise so would Ironmen, Assassins/Infamous, Dynasty, XSV, and a plethora of others. That wouldn't work at all. Am I missing something?

You're missing that Dynasty and XSV are not NXL franchise teams, and don't have a NXL spot.

Teams who paid to have a NPPL spot AND an NXL franchise are going to expect to have two spots post merger.

 

[MissyQ]

Loco, I just enjoyed watching your knee jerking, be careful or you might pull a muscle. That can take a while to recover from at your age...

As for commenting on Chuck deciding disputed calls, I don't really know what I think about it right now. What difference would it make to Rosie or anyone else doing it? The buck will have to stop somewhere and I don't see any problem with it being Chuck particularly. I am open to reasoning on why it is not a good idea though. Perhaps you have personal reservations I am unaware of.

Chicago - If the teams will expect 2 spots in a merged league I think they are missing the basic principle of the merger. It is to create one league with the very best teams as a vehicle for professional paintball. It's not a game-show. To have multiple teams adding a second (weaker) roster and beefing up the league to unmanageable proportions would be detrimental in my eyes, diluting the leagues authenticity, and defeating the basic principle and purpose. I think the NXL francise money is long since been abandoned and put down to a rather expensive experience. The goal should be to have the best teams and a very highest level of competition, not to make up for mistakes made in the past. I cannot imagine a scenario where extra spots are dreamed up to keep any kind of franchise structure alive. Perhaps there are other ways to accomodate the existing pecking order/structure within the NXL. Its too early to say and it would not be proper for me to idly speculate on this at this time. There will be enough people throwing spanners in the works and I have no intention of being counted among them/you.

 

[Baca Loco]

Loco, I just enjoyed watching your knee jerking, be careful or you might pull a muscle. That can take a while to recover from at your age...

As for commenting on Chuck deciding disputed calls, I don't really know what I think about it right now. What difference would it make to Rosie or anyone else doing it? The buck will have to stop somewhere and I don't see any problem with it being Chuck particularly. I am open to reasoning on why it is not a good idea though. Perhaps you have personal reservations I am unaware of.

Missy, the switch for shutting off rant mode rusted long ago.

My reservation is that Chuck will have priorities other than simply making the correct call and I suggest that's a problem for two reasons--1. it creates the possibility of politicized calls and sets up a basic conflict that has the appearance of impropriety from the get go. 2. And because I believe that calls have been influenced by expedient political considerations in the past and this does nothing to assure it won't happen again.

 

[Chicago]

Chicago - If the teams will expect 2 spots in a merged league I think they are missing the basic principle of the merger. It is to create one league with the very best teams as a vehicle for professional paintball. It's not a game-show. To have multiple teams adding a second (weaker) roster and beefing up the league to unmanageable proportions would be detrimental in my eyes, diluting the leagues authenticity, and defeating the basic principle and purpose. I think the NXL francise money is long since been abandoned and put down to a rather expensive experience. The goal should be to have the best teams and a very highest level of competition, not to make up for mistakes made in the past. I cannot imagine a scenario where extra spots are dreamed up to keep any kind of franchise structure alive. Perhaps there are other ways to accomodate the existing pecking order/structure within the NXL. Its too early to say and it would not be proper for me to idly speculate on this at this time. There will be enough people throwing spanners in the works and I have no intention of being counted among them/you.

I don't disagree with any of this. But people who own a NPPL spot and an NXL franchise will still believe they are entitled to twice as many spots as someone who merely owns one or the other, and I don't think they will be disuaded from that opinion by a mere "But it's better for the league if you only get half of what you have now!"

If you want to take your "top teams" argument to it's conclusion, some teams that DO have spots/franchises shouldn't be allowed in the new league at all. If, after the merger, it was decided that there would be 12 or 16 teams, and teams who had one NPPL or NXL spot ended up with NO spots in the new league (because, let's be honest, the bottom of both leagues leaves a bit to be desired in terms of talent), then you'd be in much better shape to simply say "Spots in the new league have nothing to do with spots in the old leagues, so, you get one spot cause that's what you get."

So I think the right way to solve this is "The league will have the best 12 or 16 teams. Who are they?" Then who has what spots now doesn't matter, as that's not the criteria for picking teams. If the teams in the new league are based on "Teams in the new league will be teams who had spots in the old leagues", then people with 2 spots are going to expect 2 spots.