Originally posted by Giles
Now beaker lets talk
>>>But I agree with TJ that it would take a lot of people to swallow a bit of pride, and go against the usual English mentality of every man for himself and knocking those above them for the sake of it.
I Will go back to my original points, if you have no respect for someone how could you possibly even start to work with them in a playing scenario or any other way
I understand your point if it purely relates to Shock and Robbo, agreed. I was trying to say that the problem is also wider, it's not just those 2 parties. In the US teams go to great lengths to train and practice with each other for whole weekends (simple example is beginning of PUSH were they are training together before the Cup) They help each other out in that respect which strenthens the whole scene. In the UK teams don't tend to do that - when was the last time Banzai, Shock and Tigers spent a weekend just playing and pushing each other.
Originally posted by Giles
>>Personally I feel Robbo did make an attempt with the democratic-ness selection (although I agree Giles it wasn't perfect - but he made a good stab at it)
What exactly do you mean by this, the way he chose the team
I mean the fact that is was open to anyone in the UK scene, they all could turn up and play, with the exception of Shock as we've said before.
No other team has (to my knowledge) gone to such lengths to ensure as many people as possible were seen and even though they might not have made it, the time and effort we took in doing it meant they weren't missed either.
Now onto your realy good points earlier
>>However, considering the small size of the UK scene, to have 2 main protagonists at loggerheads is just that much higher profile.
OK, who are you assumin the 2 main protaganists are
I meant Robbo & Shock (as an entity) are 2 of the highest profile parties in UK 'ball, Tiger/Banzai/Rushers probably the other top 3 in terms of profile. In the US there are plenty of rivalries/haters between the top teams or individuals, but because of the sheers numbers, they don't necessarily have any impact of any progression or betterment of the sport nor is it covered as widely
>>Like I said before, what would the options have been?
options to what
I meant options to creating the best possible UK team with the best possible future, than the way it was done with trials
>>For me to support anything else, I must first of all agree that the other way has a better chance of success than what was or is being done. Until that alternative is given, I will support this until proved otherwise.
the post was deleted within 1 hour, of course, but please feel free to call me at home I would love to tell you person to person
I would be happy to chew the fat on this, mail me your number and I'll call you over the weekend, name a time that's convenient.
>>It's just a shame with the UK scene as it is that this is already viewed as the great next hope, and not just another good UK team getting together to add to 3 or 4 others who already are competitive internationally.
I get very lost in ths thread Beaker, they have been made up to be our next great hope and every time I play the cup I think I am gonna win it for example, what s the point
What I was trying to say is that earlier posts in this thread have given the impression that these guys may be our only hope of competing with the yanks. I personally think they are the best (which is just my opinion and I admit I'm biased) but what I would really like is for them to be one of 3 or 4, all of which are up there. The Tigers are on their way but by your own admission Shock have struggled, Backlash have gone to Am (which I fully understand), OutKasts are a bit of an unknown.
I don't think this whole thing should be viewed as an either/or situation. This isn't the ONLY way you can get to a good competitive Pro team, but it is one way. And the more competitive Uk Pro's there are the better in my book.
