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Regulator Failure?

thiaknee

suckin diesel
got to agree with the budgie on this

recently at an event i needed new fittings and hose and as not knowing tom was sitting in his little caravanette i purchased two push fittings (one spare) and some hose.
back to the tent fitted the new fitting, a little ptfe and adequetly tightened. Went to the fill reg 3000psi foll begain filling
BANG 2500 psi the hose blew i filled my pants the bottle emptied its load i scurried of to the tent again. This time i get hose from the generous team next to us. cut it correctly making sure not to give it overly sharp bends made sure it was correclt fitted. Back to fill station. FIll fill fill BANG this time the fitting burst the collar comes away from the fitting and i nearly lose a finger thank god for those gloves.

So my point the reg a fairly old tsunami AA type was fine no problems in all the time i used it however fittings and hose id had for less then 20mins failed . Sometimes things get faulty, parts can be knackered before they even get used. A brand new reg coud go on the first try, most of us treat our kit with more love then our ladys occasinaly you get a dogey bit of kit but in the end its down to common sense.
If you buy a piece of s*** from some one let them know by all means but scrap the garbage and go from there.

The goverments all maintain that all equipment must meet saftey standard they are the peope that do the test on it. all the test, because if they didnt we could be walking about with all sort of crappy second rate kit thats come from all places.
i go with this rule if a bottle should only be used for 15 years then half it and dont use equipment older then that.
 

Tom Allen

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Fat Bobs have approached me to provide them with my fittings, and after talking with Damien they should have them in stock pretty soon.

It would be sensible to have regs checked out before they're used, and i as a tech would be happy to test regs out if they were sent to me.

I've heard stories of people putting co2 burst discs in 4500psi air systems, and people putting co2 bottles on air regs, and trying to fill them with air, AT 3000PSI.

WDP have decided not to sell their presets, unless they are fitted to a bottle, good idea.
 

Booti

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would it also be a good idea to start filling markers at tournies within a safe area

ie....while you are still wearing your goggles

If these 'expolding' macro lines are dangerous enough to put a dent in someones head, then they are gonna take someones eye out (i have to say i have never seen one go yet, thank god)
 

Tom Allen

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While testing the standard fittings i have seen plenty fail, and believe me the goggles wont stop it. They may help to stop it, but you really need a safety cover made out of shatterproof plastic.
 

Dark Warrior

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Am I right in saying that scuba divers regulators are not checked either. As far as i'm aware our air systems are governed by the same ones that govern all HPA systems in this country, which require the bottle to be checked but not the reg.
 

Jack Daniels

feckking pissed.....again
I think its bloody stupid, having a single point of failure like a regulator, with upto and including 5000 psi running through it, not being tested. its damned right dangerous and stupid.

:rolleyes:

i suppose its like saying we will test grenades to make sure that they dont explode under abnormal conditions but the fuses can be made by whoever wants to make them and no tests required.
 

Gups

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Originally posted by Dark Warrior
As far as i'm aware our air systems are governed by the same ones that govern all HPA systems in this country, which require the bottle to be checked but not the reg.
AFAIK thats right. Interestingly the Pressure Equpment Regulations of 1999 i think can be applied to the sale of secondhand goods too as a a baller selling a secondhand reg is 'putting it onto the market' which is the wording from the Act.
"No resposible person shall put into service or place on the market any piece of pressure equipment (this includes regs valves hose fittings etc) unless.....IT IS SAFE... "Safe" in relation to pressure equipment or an assembly, means that the pressure equipment or assembly is properly installed and maintained and used for its intended purpose is not liable to endanger the health or safety of persons".
So by law we are required to ensure it has been properly maintained before we place it on the market. I guess that would mean regularly serviced by a professional? Is anything recommended in the instructions...that your reg has an annual service?
The Act also requires that Instructions in English are sold with the equipment. It doesn't seem to specify if this is from new or secondhand tho so maybe it's right to assume it applies in both instances?
 

Jack Daniels

feckking pissed.....again
Originally posted by Gups
The Act also requires that Instructions in English are sold with the equipment. It doesn't seem to specify if this is from new or secondhand tho so maybe it's right to assume it applies in both instances?
What if youre mexican, english instructions would be pointless then no ?

only taking the piss though, please dont jump down my throat:D :D :D :D
 

Dark Warrior

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Originally posted by Jack Daniels
I think its bloody stupid, having a single point of failure like a regulator, with upto and including 5000 psi running through it, not being tested. its damned right dangerous and stupid.

:rolleyes:

i suppose its like saying we will test grenades to make sure that they dont explode under abnormal conditions but the fuses can be made by whoever wants to make them and no tests required.
I don't hear scuba divers complaining that thier regs are not tested.
Imagine 3000psi straight down your throat :eek:
 

Gups

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Originally posted by Jack Daniels
What if youre mexican, english instructions would be pointless then no ?

only taking the piss though, please dont jump down my throat:D :D :D :D
Heaven forbid that i should jump down the throat of a man of God!! lol ;)
Actually it says: "(5) In respect of pressure equipment to be placed on the market and put into service in the United Kingdom, where the requirements of paragraphs 3.3 and 3.4 of Schedule 2 are to be met, the marking, labelling, information and instructions shall be in English"
I guess if you were a mexican that would be ..."(5) por lo que se refiere al equipo de la presión que se colocará en el mercado y a poner en servicio en Mexico, donde están ser satisfecho los requisitos de los párrafos 3.3 y 3.4 del horario 2, la marca, etiquetado, la información y las instrucciones estarán en espanol"
Yes.. i have waaaay too much time on my hands...before someone else says it! lol :D