Reffing: What are you going to do about it?
- Thread starter Tony Harrison
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..er guys, let's not run too fast here. If the idea of this, or any other reffing course is at some time or another to be aligned with, or sanctioned by, the Federation, then the board needs to sit and discuss just where we wanna go and how we are gonna get there.
I'm certainly not one for being a party pooper but the Federation guys have been around long enough to also know, we have to do things in the right way if they are to have a chance of success.
We will have a meeting soon enough and as I have said elsewhere the whole subject of reffing has been thrust up the agenda because of phouli (or however you spell his name) and his cronies after the weekend.
We get less chance of tripping up if we don't rush to where we are going, let's not fack it up after we have come so far.
I'm certainly not one for being a party pooper but the Federation guys have been around long enough to also know, we have to do things in the right way if they are to have a chance of success.
We will have a meeting soon enough and as I have said elsewhere the whole subject of reffing has been thrust up the agenda because of phouli (or however you spell his name) and his cronies after the weekend.
We get less chance of tripping up if we don't rush to where we are going, let's not fack it up after we have come so far.
still, its good to get an idea of who is interested before anything is announced. Either way,sanctioned by the Federation or indipendantly run if it improves the standard of reffing it can only be a good thing.
People still see refs as mokeys in a zebra outfit and to a point this is true. I ref small tourneys and have had no training at all so if a course could be set up to improve my knowledge and skill on the field then i am up for it fed backed or not.
I would suggest running a course, see how it goes and then let the fed tweak and adjust anything they find problematic or unhelpful to standardise the reffing in the uk.
It could also be helpful to add a refs section to the forum with the mill rules as a sticky and updates added as and when.
People still see refs as mokeys in a zebra outfit and to a point this is true. I ref small tourneys and have had no training at all so if a course could be set up to improve my knowledge and skill on the field then i am up for it fed backed or not.
I would suggest running a course, see how it goes and then let the fed tweak and adjust anything they find problematic or unhelpful to standardise the reffing in the uk.
It could also be helpful to add a refs section to the forum with the mill rules as a sticky and updates added as and when.
I disagree, and I do so because if we are gonna organise training refs then it has to be done properly and not unilaterally.
We need to train them from the ground up with the correct ethos and rule book. I do not like the idea of anything being initiated just because of a few posts; we need to be better structured than just knee-jerk responses.
We cannot of course prevent anybody from starting whatever they want but when it comes to sanctioning, we are only going to want to align ourselves with guys who have been trained correctly otherwise there is absolutely no point in the Federation doing anything.
As I see it there is nothing wrong with a group of respected refs getting together, creating a package and putting that package to the Federation. It's not like these guys don't have the experience and to be honest it would be hard to find anyone more suitable to set this up. This also means that Federation only have to look at the proposal and then tweak it if necessary.
In my initial reply to Jonathan, I pointed out that it needs a group of refs to sort this out and that any resultant programme be ratified by the Federation and that was taken on board. There has been certain things working away in the background prior to the Fed Cup, so do not believe it's a knee jerk reaction to last week, its more that last week finally tipped the balance and now its time to pool these ideas and move forward. Tournie-wise, this is the quiet time of the year and the best time to get things moving.
In my initial reply to Jonathan, I pointed out that it needs a group of refs to sort this out and that any resultant programme be ratified by the Federation and that was taken on board. There has been certain things working away in the background prior to the Fed Cup, so do not believe it's a knee jerk reaction to last week, its more that last week finally tipped the balance and now its time to pool these ideas and move forward. Tournie-wise, this is the quiet time of the year and the best time to get things moving.
I fully understand your position on this Robbo but the idea of training refs isn't a new one and the fed cup incident seems to have brought this to a head. I agree that this single event has been blown out of proportion and shouldn't be used as an excuse to force the subject but on the otherhand this sport has some of the most complicated rules to learn and at the moment us newer refs are forced to go from punter reffing to tourneys without any idea of the pace and pressure of tourney reffing.
I didn't mean a course needs to be run and a certificate of competence given more a resourse for refs to get up to pace and learn the rules on the job as it were without the pressure of a tourney and players competitive attitudes to scare you away from reffing.
Once such a resourse is in place for refs that choose to use it the fed could follow up with some sort of certified training course. In addition if a player database is set up install a refferee database alongside with said qualifications and capability included.
I just want to improve as a ref alongside any improvement in uk tourneys and if things start to move quickly on the feds front I want to be able keep up.
I didn't mean a course needs to be run and a certificate of competence given more a resourse for refs to get up to pace and learn the rules on the job as it were without the pressure of a tourney and players competitive attitudes to scare you away from reffing.
Once such a resourse is in place for refs that choose to use it the fed could follow up with some sort of certified training course. In addition if a player database is set up install a refferee database alongside with said qualifications and capability included.
I just want to improve as a ref alongside any improvement in uk tourneys and if things start to move quickly on the feds front I want to be able keep up.
I would rather a group of select refs got together, formulated a strategy, created a proposal and then put it to the Federation. The Federation then sit down and discuss the proposal, then a sub committee meets with select refs and finalise the package.
Jabba & Oli - Probably 2 of the best Euro refs in the UK
James C - Respected Domestic & Millennium Ref
Jonathan A - One of the few UK refs that cut it in the top flight of the US tournament scene
Four people with a wealth of refereeing experience, that also know UK paintball.
Who better?
Agreed, we cant have monkey's training monkey's and then complain when we end up with a zoo.
Not that im calling anyone a monkey at all.
also, anything that is easy come is usually easy go. its already been said that the guys on the fed board have been around therefore when something goes tits up, there will be someone left at the end of the caos who is accountable.
Eric, I'm not sure what your angle is on this and at no time, have I ever questioned the credentials of any of the people allegedly proposed to be involved in this but you CANNOT do it unilaterally and then expect the pieces of the jigsaw to fall into place afterwards just because it seemed OK at the time.
If the Federation are to sanction any refs or any training scheme for refs then there has to be a degree of consultation from the get go.
You finish off your post with a rather challenging question of 'who better', it's almost baiting me (or somebody) to come up with names.
I wouldn't be asking 'who better', I would be asking 'how better' and I am merely suggesting a scheme that is accountable from the ground up and not half way up.
The federation's natural touchstone on matters such as this will be Steve Bull and until we have talked to him at how best to structure any training scheme, and of course, the rest of the board have had their input, then you can't expect me, or any other board member, to be giving a provisional green light to anything.
As I said, if people wanna go off and do their own thing and train themselves up, cool, good on them, but this doesn't necessarily mean it will be a natural fit with anything the Federation want, or are planning to do.