Ramping

[Baca Loco]

Like you don't

Originally posted by Missy Q
I love the way you live up to your new sig. Bravo!

A fan of subtle irony, I see. I never would have guessed though the fact you pretend to misunderstand is very like another poster we haven't seen in a while. The operative words are, of course, "your" and "my"

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Owen

2. You missed my point on the F1 thing. They are allowed to drive at the highest speed they can within the rules. No-one tells them they can only do 150mph. Hence, as you mentioned other area's are explored in a search for the 'edge'. That is good for motoring.

Here's where I get confused with your line of thought:

You say that it is a terrible thing we are closing down an avenue of development for the industry... that nobody is putting speedlimits on F1 cars, etc.

Well... if that is the case..... how on earth is that an argument for making a technologial development within the sport (I.e. ramping) illegal ??

It doesn't make sense, when you say closing an avenue of development is bad for the sport, while saying you want an avenue of development closed.

I mean - the same points people are raising against ramping, could be used for ANY further technological development of paintball markers.... they would ALL (to varrying degrees) remove some of the skills players have today.... that is the whole point of "you the manufacturers" doing R&D - isn't it?

.... I have yet to see a manufacturer say "buy our new gun, we have spent countless hours making it worse than our competitors products, so that you will really need good skills to compete with it"

If your line of thought was correct, we would all still be shooting Splatmasters.... because any development since then has negated some skill.

- I KNOW that "let's go back to pumps" is a REALLY old and fairly tired joke, that people bring up every time we have a debate on technology in paintball... but in this instance it DOES actually apply.... at least if you mean what you are saying?

I'll have to return to my original point, which is that I think people are for or against ramping for no other reason than their "feelings".... because I have yet to see a sensible argument for ramping having negative effects to paintball.

All ramping does, is negate one skill, and enhance others.

This debate should be about whether moving your fingers fast is an important enough skill for paintballers, that we want to keep it in the sport... but WATCH out, because this will create precedence.... and every time something new comes out, people will use THIS case to guide them.... and a lot of future developments will die a quick death, because the skill they negated, were just as important as "moving your fingers fast".

As long as safety is adhered to - I am cool with any new development the industry comes up with.... I'm not necessarily FOR ramping... but I'm no longer against it either... I think it is of little consequence.

Nick

 

[sirdread]

Change

I think ramping is the next evolution in paintball.

Markers have got lighter, faster more efficient,
Co2 to air allows more consistency shot after shot after shot with players carrying larger tanks for more shots
Clothing is lighter, stronger with room for protective padding.
Body armour has been introduced
Masks have better fields of view, are also lighter, have anti mist
This all impacts a players Fitness, agility, strength and ability on the field.

Compare it to F1 cars, compare it to football compare it to whatever
If the sport you play is allowed to evolve then the equipment you are using
will also evolve. Adidas Predator Boots spring to mind. They set a new standard
and allowed players to swerve a ball like never before, All that did is improve the quality
of the football players by moving the bar up a notch.

I was watching my boy on a bmx the other day now there’s a bike that has not evolved that much as the basics have always been that good. The tricks he does on it now at 11 year old are tricks that were only done by 20 year old professionals 15 years ago.

Is trigger speed/walking etc a skill , yes it is. should ramping stop as it negates this skill ? No, players will learn new skills and become better players only by embracing developments with their chosen sports and moving on with them. Just because the number of balls a fast fingered team could put into the air won games yesterday it should not necessarily be the case for tomorrow.

If ramping cannot be policed without incurring massive costs or issues with manufacturers agreeing on standards etc then quite simply the leagues can restrict the number of paintballs allowed by a team onto a field.

As for the law and safety, If it does not in the eyes of the law breach any rules then it legal, If the safety equipment we use can still give the correct level of protection then its safe.

 

[Chicago]

You can't simply say "New technology should be allowed, because new technology is the natural result of progression in a sport."

At some point, that technology becomes sport-altering. We don't let pepole use steroids. We don't let track and field runners use motor cycles. We don't let soccer players wear metal cleats. We don't let NASCAR drivers have engines that exceed a certain displacement, or use nitrous in their fuel systems.

There is a big difference between technology that makes equipment work better under the rules and technology that violates the rules entirely. Ramping changes the way the game is played, and this change is DETRIMENTAL to the sport. I understand that some people who can't seem to pull their own trigger would rather, for entirely selfish reasons (they lose more often without ramping) have ramping be allowed.

Anyway, we can'thave this argument on the basis of whether ramping is the next evolution of the sport or not. You say it is. I say it isn't. It's a preference, and if your only argument is "Because that's what I like", my response is "Semi-auto is what I like, and I've got a bunch of other reasons too, so I win."