Question ...

[Mikey D]

technique > tactics in my opinion
first thing I thought of is at a break out, one team may have their tactics memorised down to a tee blah blah, but if the other team has 5 amazing lane shooters/running and shooting masters, what good are tactics if they lose a few of their 5 or 7 players?

 

[Bud]

Paintball (supair) is like a human game of chess, be prepared to alter your tactics at the drop of a hat and adapt your technique to suit that tactic

Tactic i see as general game plan etc
Technique i see as communication, awareness, skill etc.

 

[Robbo]

Without meaning to sound patronising in any way whatsoever, there are some really good opinions surfacing here.
I have however seen an overlap of definition, or rather of understanding when it comes to tactics and techniques.
There is an actual distinction between techniques and tactics and although they are related in practice i.e. they interact when you are playing, there is no natural relationship or extension from one to the other, other than an enforced one.
The theoretical definitions of both are quite distinct but I can understand people then taking their working relationship and believing there is some natural connection.
Of course this is probably academic but I ain't gonna let it pass without flagging the problem up.
I will make myself clearer on this subject later but for the time being hang with me, coz there's some interesting schnizzle coming out here with you guys.

PS When and where I quote somebody in this thread, and then maybe ask another question, the trick is, to know I am nudging you guys in a particular direction .... Cook$ and Buddha are already well aware of Mr Socrates and his methods

 

[Robbo]

I would have thought that due to the HUGE amount of variables that can happen in a game, the most important part would be technique, with tactics making up a much smaller part. I'd go as far as to say about 90% to 10%.
But I've been wrong before.

ssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!! ............ hot'ish!

 

[HPUKer]

In my opinion:

You need good technique to execute tactics effectively
You dont need good tactics to have good technique

Technique is more important as it is an enabler that allows you to not only have good technique itself, but allows you to execute a more diverse range of tactic.

Good technique also can act as a block to prevent other teams from using their tactics - e.g. someone who has excellent technique at holding a lane, can put a block on the baddies tactic to gain a bit of real estate; it then comes down to the baddies technique, to enable them to execute their tactic effectively, as they try to take control of the lane.

The above model is very simple - and once you start to enter more than 2 players into it I think it falls apart a bit, but I think it conveys the jist of it

Technique>Tactic

 

[Robbo]

There is more than one way to stay tight and gun fight (Dynasty did it different to the way that Robbo suggests).

Oi Skeet, I love the way you hedge your bets here using me as your patsy

Actually young man, Dynasty didn't depart from any of what I had been teaching, all they did was to illustrate there is more than one way to skin a cat.

You might be confusing natural skillsets with trained techniques here mate but in essence, they have the same result, just differing paths.

And in exhibiting the same results, we can assume that Dynasty had great techniques, albeit, they weren't trained in the conventional manner.

 

[Robbo]

In my opinion:

You need good technique to execute tactics effectively
You dont need good tactics to have good technique

Technique is more important as it is an enabler that allows you to not only have good technique itself, but allows you to execute a more diverse range of tactic.

Good technique also can act as a block to prevent other teams from using their tactics - e.g. someone who has excellent technique at holding a lane, can put a block on the baddies tactic to gain a bit of real estate; it then comes down to the baddies technique, to enable them to execute their tactic effectively, as they try to take control of the lane.

The above model is very simple - and once you start to enter more than 2 players into it I think it falls apart a bit, but I think it conveys the jist of it

Technique>Tactic

I like this post coz it indicates a reductionist in the making and anybody who hopes to understand any subject must indulge in reductionism.

I particularly like his last sentence because it actually provides the route onwards ...... but before we go there I had better start defining tactics and techniques.
I will be back in an hour ......

 

[Cube]

OK here's one for the pot, I agree that technique outweighs tactics. In my opinion you simply have to be able to do things effectively and 'naturally' (in quotes because it could be a learnt skill rather than a talent) before you can focus on the bigger picture of a tactical game.

I think that's true in all sports otherwise myself and the myriad of armchair football managers would be running teams and I would have ousted Rafa Benitez .

However as Robbo keeps mentioning Socrates, can I mention Meredith Belbin and his Apollo Syndrome. Basically this was about teams of intelligent people but I think I can stretch the analogy. In essence teams containing high numbers of "highly capable people" often perform worse in testing that more balanced teams of "less capable people". That is unless there is an absence of domineering characters within the group or there is a working leadership style that suits all, which is often unlikely.

I liken this to putting a group of highly skilled pro-players together, all blessed with technique. Dependant on the people it might work together well but not necessarily. Egos, personalities and clashes could serve to go against the greater team effort of playing together and winning.

You could say then that the selection of the right balance of people, coach etc is a game winning tactic which kind of outweighs the individual technique.

Isn't that what you decided to do when forming Nexus Robbo? Start with the right people that have a good balance and work on the techniques and then the tactics. I seem to remember reading that somewhere.


(Oh and Skeet what did I do, that was only my 2nd post in 5 years leave me alone)

 

[Robbo]

Isn't that what you decided to do when forming Nexus Robbo? Start with the right people that have a good balance and work on the techniques and then the tactics. I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

Sorta ...... inasmuch as it wasn't really a balance thing, more a raw talent thing that could be moulded .... young ears are eager ears and as long as what's being taught is grounded in commonsense and actually works, then that's a successful blueprint.

Any balance we had, evolved in that first year and was an emergent property of our training, both technically and psychologically.
It is no fluke the most successful year was 2003 which was also our first year together....after that first year and the hype started setting in and perspectives were cast adrift, performances understandably declined and never really recovered; after Ledz left, the writing was on the wall.

 

[O.G reborn]

Tactics count for **** if there is a shortness of technique unless of course you are playing against a similarly ill equipped team - then it comes down to luck (which plays a small part in the outcome of a game regardless of technique and tactics once the game is on).

Technique is the cornerstone of any successful team; granted these taught techniques will be developed into bespoke skills by players and teams who adapt their style of play as the game and tools of the trade evolve. However, those core skills which enable you as a player to compete and carry out the successful implementation of tactics must be built upon a degree of 'natural' talent.

Natural talent = the ability to listen and integrate what you learn, fearlessness, self control, speed of thought and a good pinch of common sense.

Once you have all this, then you can have more confidence than most that Tactics will be carried out effectively. That said, like warfare, no tactical plan survives first contact. Thus, the natural talent and honed techniques of the players are needed to bring order out of chaos.


well, it's one point of view anyway