I'm thick as pig ****, but in my eyes, if you gave a person without much technique a complex game plan, wouldnt he just get excited and start running through lanes? playing sloppy, and generally forgetting what hes there to do in the first place?
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I would have thought that due to the HUGE amount of variables that can happen in a game, the most important part would be technique, with tactics making up a much smaller part. I'd go as far as to say about 90% to 10%.
But I've been wrong before.
But I've been wrong before.
As the old saying goes
If you fail to plan - plan to fail
I always try to approach my paintball with some sort of game plan. It helps to have prior knowledge of the field, and the team you are up against. I usually find I'm quite good at sussing key bunkers, and areas to push or hold. I watch other areas of the field to spot if it's going tits up, and we need to go to plan 'B', or move players around to help a push.
I think it easier to pull games out of the bag, with little pre-planning or tactics if your technique is good. Maybe because you react quicker to whats happening on the field? It also helps if your kit & paint are reliable, as it allows you to focus on the game 100%
A player might have great skills, but if he's in headless chicken mode all the time he'll spend a lot of time in the deadzone.
I'll go with 50/50
If you fail to plan - plan to fail
I always try to approach my paintball with some sort of game plan. It helps to have prior knowledge of the field, and the team you are up against. I usually find I'm quite good at sussing key bunkers, and areas to push or hold. I watch other areas of the field to spot if it's going tits up, and we need to go to plan 'B', or move players around to help a push.
I think it easier to pull games out of the bag, with little pre-planning or tactics if your technique is good. Maybe because you react quicker to whats happening on the field? It also helps if your kit & paint are reliable, as it allows you to focus on the game 100%
A player might have great skills, but if he's in headless chicken mode all the time he'll spend a lot of time in the deadzone.
I'll go with 50/50
I've always seen it as techniques are the small things that you, (individually) do to get the job done. So I guess snap-shooting, aiming/targetting (as in picking the most appropriate person to shoot at and then getting close) shooting lots of paint quickly to keep someone in; (so ideally aiming and shooting loads, I've played with a few people that never got the link
), wide-vision rather than tunnel vision etcTactics are the big picture processes probably agreed, (as a group) long before the whistle goes. So lanes, primarys, secondarys, team calls, the whole plan A leads to Plan B or C dependant on what happens. Though I might just be regurgitating somethin Robbo wrote back in (I think) the 90's when he was talking about comparisons with SWAT teams and progressive taking of ground based on an overall plan for woodsball games.
Or I might just be wittering
Hmm...
So, I haven't read this fully, but I am thinking that Robbo hasn't seen his answer yet.
So I shall ramble a little and see what occurs ( thousand monkeys at typewriters style).
Ok, I shall assume that the team have reliable kit and maintain it and know how to work it, as this is fairly important. I could beat Joy Division on my own, if their kit didn't work
The difference between tactics and technique, within paintball, from my limited viewpoint.
Technique, would have to be, the core skills and your mastery of YOUR way of doing them.
There is more than one way to stay tight and gun fight (Dynasty did it different to the way that Robbo suggests).
So. If your team have good technique for how they play and it works for them, then they have the ability to move around the field, they can run and gun to a good standard, they pot up while shooting their lane, they can wrap, they can gun fight, shoot off handed and all the other little bits.
So if these guys go out, they can each play their own game as 5/7 individuals to a point and most likely reduce the opposition's number.
Tactics, is HOW, these players, with their skills, are applied to the game, against a particular opposition.
A team might have a foolproof game plan, right out of Kasparov's secret strategy book, but if they do not have sufficient technique to pull it off, they will fail in epic fashion against a team with even mediocre technique.
So, the combination of a good game plan and adequate technique/skill will be a good formula for success.
But, you cannot always make the game go your way, so your tactics may have to change mid game, maybe several times, so another technique, is how exactly to achieve that.
There. Do I get a prize?
If not, I take solace in the fact that I have chicken.
EDIT: FFS Cube!!!!
So, I haven't read this fully, but I am thinking that Robbo hasn't seen his answer yet.
So I shall ramble a little and see what occurs ( thousand monkeys at typewriters style).
Ok, I shall assume that the team have reliable kit and maintain it and know how to work it, as this is fairly important. I could beat Joy Division on my own, if their kit didn't work
The difference between tactics and technique, within paintball, from my limited viewpoint.
Technique, would have to be, the core skills and your mastery of YOUR way of doing them.
There is more than one way to stay tight and gun fight (Dynasty did it different to the way that Robbo suggests).
So. If your team have good technique for how they play and it works for them, then they have the ability to move around the field, they can run and gun to a good standard, they pot up while shooting their lane, they can wrap, they can gun fight, shoot off handed and all the other little bits.
So if these guys go out, they can each play their own game as 5/7 individuals to a point and most likely reduce the opposition's number.
Tactics, is HOW, these players, with their skills, are applied to the game, against a particular opposition.
A team might have a foolproof game plan, right out of Kasparov's secret strategy book, but if they do not have sufficient technique to pull it off, they will fail in epic fashion against a team with even mediocre technique.
So, the combination of a good game plan and adequate technique/skill will be a good formula for success.
But, you cannot always make the game go your way, so your tactics may have to change mid game, maybe several times, so another technique, is how exactly to achieve that
.There. Do I get a prize?
If not, I take solace in the fact that I have chicken.
EDIT: FFS Cube!!!!
Tactics are part of technique. If you have good technique the you can shoot paint and move up the field. When you have moved up the field you have more and better options. If you repeat this as a team then you can and will win. If you havegood technique, you learn more about tactics, in which bunkers are dominant where to run start game etc.
at least in my lowly opinion.
at least in my lowly opinion.
robbo you've got me baffelled with this one.
you obviously know the answers to your own questions and i have read a few of your articles on the subject.
I have spent a bit of time watching other teams play and all have tacticts of some kind even if its only for the first 30 seconds of a game. At this point it's whether you can adapt your prior tacticts to the situation that unfolds in front of you.
everyone has heard the phrase adapt and overcome.
and it takes tacticts to do this well, no one can tell you what the opposition are about to do so you need a tactic for each situation tou can envisage happening during the game.
you then need the technique to put the plan into practice.
I would say the more successful a team the better thier tactics, technique and vision.
i would say it's a 70/30 split tacticts/technique.
and as for the difference between the two tacticts are planned technique is practiced or tcaticts are a collection of techniques placed in an order.
hope that makes sense i have read it 3 times and it made sense to me twice.
you obviously know the answers to your own questions and i have read a few of your articles on the subject.
I have spent a bit of time watching other teams play and all have tacticts of some kind even if its only for the first 30 seconds of a game. At this point it's whether you can adapt your prior tacticts to the situation that unfolds in front of you.
everyone has heard the phrase adapt and overcome.
and it takes tacticts to do this well, no one can tell you what the opposition are about to do so you need a tactic for each situation tou can envisage happening during the game.
you then need the technique to put the plan into practice.
I would say the more successful a team the better thier tactics, technique and vision.
i would say it's a 70/30 split tacticts/technique.
and as for the difference between the two tacticts are planned technique is practiced or tcaticts are a collection of techniques placed in an order.
hope that makes sense i have read it 3 times and it made sense to me twice.
Your tactics should be based on your techniques.
If your team as a whole can't move for sh!t, because you all resemble a beached whale, a tactic of "taking it to them" obviously will not work...
As far as saying "a team with superior skills will beat/not beat a team with inferior skills, but superior tactics", that's irrelevant.
In order to make any sense here, you'd have to have two teams of equal skill level. Then, obviously, the team with the superior tactics will be the victor. But like I said, good tactics equals using your skills wisely.
People have a tendency to go apesh!t when I do this, but I always compare paintball to other sports, because it really ain't different. My cousin is arguably the best streetsoccer player in this country. He's played one on one and two on two against some of the best pro players in the world (the dudes you see on TV making shedloads of money) and he has beaten them all. Yet he only plays on a mediocre pro team. Why? Because he has great personal one on one skills, but just doesn't have the tactical insight. Give him the ball and he'll run with it. He won't pass it... He just doesn't see it.
In the end, understanding tactics is just another skill to be learned.
One of the reasons it is important to have tactics in the sense of having a game plan, is that when things go ass up, you have some basic plan to fall back on. You will be aware of the goals and your role in them. That way you know what to do with your skill set.
The reason why paintball tactics tend to look so unimportant, is because at this point in time (some exceptions exist), hardly anybody uses intricate playbooks. Here we can learn a lot from American football for example. Our offense has a playbook some 250 pages thick, while in it's most basic form, you have only 2 options: You run the ball, or you throw the ball...
Paintball could potentially be like that.
If your team as a whole can't move for sh!t, because you all resemble a beached whale, a tactic of "taking it to them" obviously will not work...
As far as saying "a team with superior skills will beat/not beat a team with inferior skills, but superior tactics", that's irrelevant.
In order to make any sense here, you'd have to have two teams of equal skill level. Then, obviously, the team with the superior tactics will be the victor. But like I said, good tactics equals using your skills wisely.
People have a tendency to go apesh!t when I do this, but I always compare paintball to other sports, because it really ain't different. My cousin is arguably the best streetsoccer player in this country. He's played one on one and two on two against some of the best pro players in the world (the dudes you see on TV making shedloads of money) and he has beaten them all. Yet he only plays on a mediocre pro team. Why? Because he has great personal one on one skills, but just doesn't have the tactical insight. Give him the ball and he'll run with it. He won't pass it... He just doesn't see it.
In the end, understanding tactics is just another skill to be learned.
One of the reasons it is important to have tactics in the sense of having a game plan, is that when things go ass up, you have some basic plan to fall back on. You will be aware of the goals and your role in them. That way you know what to do with your skill set.
The reason why paintball tactics tend to look so unimportant, is because at this point in time (some exceptions exist), hardly anybody uses intricate playbooks. Here we can learn a lot from American football for example. Our offense has a playbook some 250 pages thick, while in it's most basic form, you have only 2 options: You run the ball, or you throw the ball...
Paintball could potentially be like that.
To me id say that tactics to a certian level were technique, you can all start a game with the intention of following a specific plan but in a fast passed game of Sup' things may not go to plan and instinct kicks in. Knowing what do to; whether to bump, sit still or take a run can be disccused before a game but when it happens for real things change and its knowing from mistakes and personall skill what to do..
Get a group of walkon go-ers to play a div 1 team. Amatures can chat about what they do where the Div 1 team aren't allowed to talk to one another at all.. Whats gonna win technique/skill or tactics ?
You can have the best plan laid out infront of you but if your players are not good enough to carry it out could you not say that the tactics are limited by your strengths ?
Get a group of walkon go-ers to play a div 1 team. Amatures can chat about what they do where the Div 1 team aren't allowed to talk to one another at all.. Whats gonna win technique/skill or tactics ?
You can have the best plan laid out infront of you but if your players are not good enough to carry it out could you not say that the tactics are limited by your strengths ?
My personal opinion would be Technique is far more important than tactics.
Learning how to hold a marker properly, stance, breakout faster, tight profile, how each bunker is played, running and gunning.
If your crap or moderate to the above, what good is tactics ?
Tactics can help to a small degree. But if your techniques are bad, you wont stay alive long enough to play tactics.
Learning how to hold a marker properly, stance, breakout faster, tight profile, how each bunker is played, running and gunning.
If your crap or moderate to the above, what good is tactics ?
Tactics can help to a small degree. But if your techniques are bad, you wont stay alive long enough to play tactics.