Hmm:
Dynasty
Strange
Avalanche
Bad Company
Bushwackers
Naughty Dogs
Ton Ton
Nexus
Russian Legion
Joy Division
Shockwave
Tigers
Ugly Ducklings
Ignition
Hardcore
Ton Ton Acyd
Thats 16, but would the Naughty Dogs travel?
PRO VS PRO Superleague
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Dynasty
Strange
Avalanche
Bad Company
Bushwackers
Naughty Dogs
Ton Ton
Nexus
Russian Legion
Joy Division
Shockwave
Tigers
Ugly Ducklings
Ignition
Hardcore
Ton Ton Acyd
Thats 16, but would the Naughty Dogs travel?
I think y'all are gonna have a hard time with US teams. How many played 4 events or more last year? This time you want a committment for a new format nobody's played that isn't X-Ball? What's in it for them?
Paul and Nick are both right, there is no way 8 yank teams are gonna come across here every Millennium no more than 8 Euro teams are gonna travel to every NPPL.
It has to be a joint venture with World Series legs being played both sides of the Atlantic.
Pro teams would then have to play something like at least 6 World Series tourneys with the best 5 counting.
In my opinion, each tournament has to have a weighting factor dependant upon what teams are in attendance, so winning a tournament with more top teams in it gains more points.
Not sure yet of the details but I am sure people like Nick, Paul, Wadidiz and a few more besides could come up with the necessary ideas.
As a rough working idea, not meant to be definitive in any way; if the world ranking position was used for each team (inversed), and each one added together for teams in attendance and this then become a weighting factor for points achieved, it wouldn't be too far off the mark, would need tweaking obviously but in essence, it would provide a working framework.
And Sam, I think you might find there will be 8 teams from the US !
It has to be a joint venture with World Series legs being played both sides of the Atlantic.
Pro teams would then have to play something like at least 6 World Series tourneys with the best 5 counting.
In my opinion, each tournament has to have a weighting factor dependant upon what teams are in attendance, so winning a tournament with more top teams in it gains more points.
Not sure yet of the details but I am sure people like Nick, Paul, Wadidiz and a few more besides could come up with the necessary ideas.
As a rough working idea, not meant to be definitive in any way; if the world ranking position was used for each team (inversed), and each one added together for teams in attendance and this then become a weighting factor for points achieved, it wouldn't be too far off the mark, would need tweaking obviously but in essence, it would provide a working framework.
And Sam, I think you might find there will be 8 teams from the US !
what about other pro teams that are wanting to commit fully next season? why should we be discounted because we did not play as many tournaments last season. we have stepped up our game, training, sponsorship, professionalism and yet are not included in your 'select 16!!' . i will be the first to admit that we are not in the top bracket of the World Pro teams, but have prved on several occasions that we have game and can beat top pro teams. we also know that it is hard to convince good AM A teams to make the Pro step, but in essence are knocking back teams that are prepared to give it a go!
my thoughts are that if you want to play Pro then you should be given respect for doing so! and if we or anyone else turns out to be the wipping boys then so be it. every league will have a winning team and loads of loseing teams, who has the right to decide who thay are gonna be before we all play each other? we have spent and are prepared to spend alot of money next season playing Pro, if we are not 'allowed' then maybe you will lose another Pro team in Europe, now that in my opinion (for what its worth) its not moving the game forward at all!
I certainly am open to being proven wrong, but Gaff makes a very good point about keeping the SuperPro league open to first pay=sure-to-play.
It looks to me to be the only fair way to handle it. NOT by invitation only.
The promoters already have a hard enough time getting entry fees paid in a reasonable time. And so many teams wait to see who is registered before commiting.
If we make it first-come, first-serve AND we have something interesting to offer then teams will line up to play it. This will be incentive to Millennium to offer a quality event (which has to have top-notch reffing) and incentive to the teams to get their entries paid early.
Let's keep in mind that this is not a franchise system and whatever format may be used hasn't had the specacular demonstration/trial that X Ball had at the 2002 IAO.
Steve
PS. The top US sides like Dynasty, Strange, Dogs and Bad Company have the kind of resources that would make them able to pay early, IF they want to play.
SM
It looks to me to be the only fair way to handle it. NOT by invitation only.
The promoters already have a hard enough time getting entry fees paid in a reasonable time. And so many teams wait to see who is registered before commiting.
If we make it first-come, first-serve AND we have something interesting to offer then teams will line up to play it. This will be incentive to Millennium to offer a quality event (which has to have top-notch reffing) and incentive to the teams to get their entries paid early.
Let's keep in mind that this is not a franchise system and whatever format may be used hasn't had the specacular demonstration/trial that X Ball had at the 2002 IAO.
Steve
PS. The top US sides like Dynasty, Strange, Dogs and Bad Company have the kind of resources that would make them able to pay early, IF they want to play.
SM
thankyou Steve
but also, why limit the Pro team numbers, surely we should be encouraging 'Pro' teams, and trying to get excellent AM A teams to step up a level. if that level then becomes either a 'first come first served' or 'invite only' league then they will not be able to do this, and you will have Pro's getting better and better and the gap between AM A and Pro, will grow and grow. again another backwards step i feel.
i agree we need to make this sport exciting, and aggresive (game wise not attitude and ego) but if i were honest the best game i watched being played this past season was between two AM A teams, not Pro's! with a 'sorry you are not invited attitude' we will lose the feeder to the top level of the game, and even the Dynasty boys will get old and retire one day, if we effectively cut off this avenue to play top level ball then the game will die in the longer term
Gaff.
If the Premier League is indeed Premiere, then div1 will still be the Pro division just titled differently.
What I am saying is that the teams that are picked will have proved that they have gone beyond the old "PRO" standard.
These teams would by definition be the cream of the crop.
If Storm aren't playing Premier Paintball you would still be playing PRO but your incentive would be the chance of promotion to the next level.
At the moment there is no next level and I think one needs to be created.
so....... Premier
Div 1 (PRO)
Div 2 (AM)
Div 3 (Open division).
Promotion for Premier, Div1 and Div2.
Div 3 will cater for all the teams that curently play "for fun" much like the current Novice division.
If you wanna play with the big boys then you have to register as AM. This I think would get rid of all the sandbaggers.
Jeff
If the Premier League is indeed Premiere, then div1 will still be the Pro division just titled differently.
What I am saying is that the teams that are picked will have proved that they have gone beyond the old "PRO" standard.
These teams would by definition be the cream of the crop.
If Storm aren't playing Premier Paintball you would still be playing PRO but your incentive would be the chance of promotion to the next level.
At the moment there is no next level and I think one needs to be created.
so....... Premier
Div 1 (PRO)
Div 2 (AM)
Div 3 (Open division).
Promotion for Premier, Div1 and Div2.
Div 3 will cater for all the teams that curently play "for fun" much like the current Novice division.
If you wanna play with the big boys then you have to register as AM. This I think would get rid of all the sandbaggers.
Jeff
Even if the Supadupa league (sorry, don't like the name premier...sounds too much like footie) were to be a closed format, it wouldn't prevent players from having access to it.
After all, like you said even Dynasty will grow old one day, and will need replacements for it's players.
So as I see it, you won't have entire teams moving up into that league, but you would see individual players being signed by the big name teams.
Whaddayaknow! Almost like real sports...
After all, like you said even Dynasty will grow old one day, and will need replacements for it's players.
So as I see it, you won't have entire teams moving up into that league, but you would see individual players being signed by the big name teams.
Whaddayaknow! Almost like real sports...
i agree with 95% of what you have said mate, but by definition you are saying that we (STORM) have not proved ourselves to be included in the Premier division and i cannot dispute that entirely, but feel that these ideas should have been suggested and prepared, and everyone informed at the beginning of last season. the reason for this is......we did a similiar thing last season as you guys did in Nexus, except our goals for the season were a little more modest (well done to you for your achievements by the way!) our target year was 2004, we have set ourselves up with some huge deals, some great new players and have a team infrastructure second to none, we have documented proceedures, audited accounts all the necessary items required to run a 'Professional team' in any sport. but now we are being told (although not officially yet) that all that hard work is a waste of time and that our goals for last season and preperation for next season, were a season too late!
This is like the PFA telling all the lower Premier league Pro football teams that they will be now be downgraded to a lower teir 'Pro league' with ultimately less of an incentive for sponsors, less value for their playing staff and all given to them 2 months before the new season, after they have secured all the deals and budgets for the following season. What are we supposed to do now tell these 'out of industry sponsors' that we have been relegated? give them there money back? look like an incompetent, disorganised organisation that we have taken a year to sort out and ensure that we are not?
these monumental decisions should have been made at the beginning of the season and everyone informed that they will need to get their ****e together and earn that place!
Dont tell me that this time next year we will all be instructed that we need to find $1,000,000.00 for a franchise,with 2 or 3 months notice to play in the league!!!
[edit] sorry your avatar is misleading, thought you played for NEXUS !!
agreed mate but more notice should have been given for massive changes like this, then we may or may not have set our goals as we did!Originally posted by Buddha 3
So as I see it, you won't have entire teams moving up into that league, but you would see individual players being signed by the big name teams.
Whaddayaknow! Almost like real sports...