Prisoners of War, War Criminals or Terrorist???

[manike]

Originally posted by TheRo0sTer
Well as I think Goose put it Beaker what made the whole Sept 11th thing so alarming was it was on US soil.

You are implying that your attitude is "ok in your back garden but not in mine". That is wrong! 100% wrong. The actions of terrorists everywhere have to be condemned at all times not just when they decide to hit Americans on American soil.

One good thing out of all this (if that is possible) is that America is realising the horrify results of living under the affects of terrorism. Maybe that will make them think about others in the same situations and also about some of their own policies.

manike

 

[cjohns]

Originally posted by manike


You are implying that your attitude is "ok in your back garden but not in mine". That is wrong! 100% wrong. The actions of terrorists everywhere have to be condemned at all times not just when they decide to hit Americans on American soil.

One good thing out of all this (if that is possible) is that America is realising the horrify results of living under the affects of terrorism. Maybe that will make them think about others in the same situations and also about some of their own policies.

manike

WHOA Buddy. You are totally missing what he said!!! All he is saying is that it took a shot on American soil to wake up the U.S. to terrorism. I know the U.S. thought that no one could touch us and it took something like that to realize that we can be hit and hit hard. As far as helping other countries I mean damn man, do we have to help everyone? Try helping yourselves for once. Look at how many countries we have helped over the years. Maybe we should stop helping. And I am quite irate about you saying "One good thing out of all this (if that is possible) is that America is realising the horrify results of living under the affects of terrorism". Just to let you know, that comment really ticked me off

 

[TheRo0sTer]

Originally posted by manike


You are implying that your attitude is "ok in your back garden but not in mine". That is wrong! 100% wrong. manike

Actaully I am wondering why people are reading into what I typed! What I simply did was anwser Beakers question. His question was why are we being more active in the fight against terrorism now when there were previous attacks. Hence the answer said by goose not me! Second thing Manike the USA has always been against terrorism and we are now just showing a more active public role in the fight against it. This is not something new it is something our current President is not going to stand for. It's kinda like a previous post about a country always safegaurding against acts of terrorism and when the US and UK decided to fight it together said country were already complying to stringent security measures. And one other little thing is if someone is in your back garden urinating on your plants do you wait for assistance??? I know I wouldn't so why point the finger once again at the US?

 

[manike]

Cjohns,

I agree he is saying it took a shot on American soil to wake up America to terrorism. It's the same point that I made that ticked you off...

I've been in America and had people tell me that they support the IRA. That they actually supported Terrorists disgusted me. I think Americans were very unaware of what Terrorism actually meant but now they do. I wish it hadn't taken something like this for them to understand it but it has.

I never said anything about wanting the USA to help. I just don't want them to condone terrorism or be impartial to it, which they have done for a long time. If it's bad on their own soil then it is bad everywhere.

I didn't mean to tick you off. I was just pointing out that it was a wake up call. It shouldn't have needed that wake up call, but it did and now only good things against all terrorists will be the result.

Many Americans have a very closed view about anything that is not on their own soil. They don't care about the rest of the world or what they do in it as long as it doesn't effect them. They condone terrorism in another country but not in their own. That is what I had a problem with and why I made that comment. That Americans will now condone all terrorism is a good thing and should have been the case without the aweful affects of Sept 11th.

manike

 

[manike]

Originally posted by TheRo0sTer
Second thing Manike the USA has always been against terrorism and we are now just showing a more active public role in the fight against it.

Rooster up until Clinton that was simply not true. America and it's people have supported and funded terrorism. It's well known out of the USA but such knowledge is rare in the USA or passed off as something else "supporting freedom fighters" or some other such rubbish.

If people read more into our words than we mean, then we must be careful how and what we post.

I am all after getting every single terrorist and condone no such terrorists actions in ANY country.

It is terrible what happened to the USA, but good that they are now taking actions against terrorists. I was just saying that it is good that they are. I wish it hadn't taken Sept 11 for them to be doing what they are now. But I am glad about the actions that are now being taken.

That's what I was trying to say before and not sure how that can tick someone off? It is possible for good to come out of bad. It's a shame it takes that bad to get the good. The good should just happen anyway (how confusing is that )

manike

 

[cjohns]

Originally posted by manike
Cjohns,

I agree he is saying it took a shot on American soil to wake up America to terrorism. It's the same point that I made that ticked you off...

I've been in America and had people tell me that they support the IRA. That they actually supported Terrorists disgusted me. I think Americans were very unaware of what Terrorism actually meant but now they do. I wish it hadn't taken something like this for them to understand it but it has.

I never said anything about wanting the USA to help. I just don't want them to condone terrorism or be impartial to it, which they have done for a long time. If it's bad on their own soil then it is bad everywhere.

I didn't mean to tick you off. I was just pointing out that it was a wake up call. It shouldn't have needed that wake up call, but it did and now only good things against all terrorists will be the result.

Many Americans have a very closed view about anything that is not on their own soil. They don't care about the rest of the world or what they do in it as long as it doesn't effect them. They condone terrorism in another country but not in their own. That is what I had a problem with and why I made that comment. That Americans will now condone all terrorism is a good thing and should have been the case without the aweful affects of Sept 11th.

manike

I don't think Americans condone terrorism. Maybe the political bull**** does, but not the American people as a whole. I personally would love to fight terrorism against anyone who needs my help and I guarentee before this happened millions of Americans would feel the same way. I am curious as to what the U.K. has done to stop Terrorism concerning the IRA. How would you feel if the IRA or some other terrorist group blew up Parliament and had plans to blow up the Tower of London and your military headquarters? I am sure you would feel the same way we do.

 

[TheRo0sTer]

Originally posted by manike
I've been in America and had people tell me that they support the IRA. That they actually supported Terrorists disgusted me. I think Americans were very unaware of what Terrorism actually meant but now they do. I wish it hadn't taken something like this for them to understand it but it has.

Manike you know I lived in the US for 28 years of my life and never once heard an American actaully say I support the IRA! Is there a possibilty that they said they support the NRA? Just a question. Not taking the piss out of your intelligance.

One other thing as I said in my last post the USA has always been aware of Terrorism but didn't publicly announce there BAN against it. It just so happened that the bandwagon was set with the WTC happenings on Sept 11th.

 

[manike]

Now we are getting there...

Originally posted by cjohns
I don't think Americans condone terrorism. Maybe the political bull**** does, but not the American people as a whole.

Many did because they didn't understand it. Now they do undertsand it I don't think anyone does. That change of attitude is for the better. I had a whole discussion with some very intelligent (supposedly ) people about the IRA. Several supported them and the rest just couldn't care less. The only person who did care was someone who had been in London and Brighton (who I was visiting) and thus subject to a bomb scare.

Originally posted by cjohns
How would you feel if the IRA or some other terrorist group blew up Parliament and had plans to blow up the Tower of London and your military headquarters? I am sure you would feel the same way we do.

Cjohns, the IRA have been planning those things and attempting them for years. THAT is EXACTLY why I feel this way. I have been through terrorist threats. I've had the buildings I was in evacuated due to bomb threats, and I've had bomb scares against the boat I was serving on (I was in the Navy reserves). And fairly recently a bomb in London damaged a drinking place I used to visit with a friend. We could have been in there. Makes you think! (I was also in the Twin Trade Towers just last year...)

I have friends who have had direct issues due to the IRA and terrorists. One friend of mines father is a body guard in Ireland. Terrorists have affected my life and the lives of others I care about. That's why I think it is good that America is now acting so strongly against terrorism. My point is that I think they should have been doing it anyway, or at least not being impartial for political reasons or funding it for misguided beliefs.

Rooster, no it was most definitely the IRA It was brought up by someone who was proud to have Irish heritage and thought that supporting the IRA was good for Ireland. We were talking about it at Perdu University, it was at one of your Universities so it's not my intelligence you are questioning with what should be quite an intelligent group, several supported it and many were impartial or didn't care. I think we should all care.

manike

 

[cjohns]

Originally posted by manike
Now we are getting there...



Many did because they didn't understand it. Now they do undertsand it I don't think anyone does. That change of attitude is for the better. I had a whole discussion with some very intelligent (supposedly ) people about the IRA. Several supported them and the rest just couldn't care less. The only person who did care was someone who had been in London and Brighton (who I was visiting) and thus subject to a bomb scare.



Cjohns, the IRA have been planning those things and attempting them for years. THAT is EXACTLY why I feel this way. I have been through terrorist threats. I've had the buildings I was in evacuated due to bomb threats, and I've had bomb scares against the boat I was serving on (I was in the Navy reserves). And fairly recently a bomb in London damaged a drinking place I used to visit with a friend. We could have been in there. Makes you think! (I was also in the Twin Trade Towers just last year...)

I have friends who have had direct issues due to the IRA and terrorists. One friend of mines father is a body guard in Ireland. Terrorists have affected my life and the lives of others I care about. That's why I think it is good that America is now acting so strongly against terrorism. My point is that I think they should have been doing it anyway, or at least not being impartial for political reasons or funding it for misguided beliefs.

Ok Ok. I see your point and I wish you would have stated some of this earlier. Iit would have saved my fingers from typing so much


All I know is that the U.S. puts enormous amounts of money and people into aiding other countries for all kinds of reasons and I just want someone to say thanks instead of constantly bitching because one of our bombs killed a few innocent people which in turn saved thousands. I am tired and I am at work and I need a stiff drink and I am done with this post

Manike it has been interesting

 

[manike]

Originally posted by cjohns
I am curious as to what the U.K. has done to stop Terrorism concerning the IRA.

You mean apart from Laws and Legislation making it easier to hold and charge terrorists?

Well how about a 'shoot to kill' policy against IRA suspects.

The SAS going after high levels players and just 'removing' them from existence.

The high security all over our country at Military and Service installations.

Huge operations all over the world against the IRA, did you never hear about the Sting in Gibraltar (I think that's where it was...) where all the IRA players intending to set off a bomb at a military installation were shot dead... even though not armed. Oops.

How about the highest security of any airports in the World? Heathrow Is I believe the most secure airport anywhere due to the threat of terrorism. It's certainly the one where they warn you with cameras that 'X-ray' proof film bags are not guarantee'd against.

We also have some pretty serious laws to combat terrorism.

I wish we did more.

manike