Planet's new Ego gun

[martin]

same

ok i am not going to write loads as my speling is rubbish.

A open bolt guns does the same thing just in a different order.
The marker fires the bolt flys forward for a factory set unadjustable time then it aplieas a shot dwell. the bolt returns on unadjustable time waits for a ball and waits for it to stop bouncing around and repeats. So please tell y a e cocker is slower because of added 'stages'?

 

[stongle]

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Speed up as appropriate.

 

[martin]

lol

should of gone to 'spec savers'

 

[Bolter]

cockers only sound fast because there is a whole bunch of noises with one shot.

 

[Kyle - Shock Unit 04]

all i can say is

cockers suck

boring

so slow

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Originally posted by Kyle - Shock Unit 04
all i can say is

cockers suck

boring

so slow

But you are still more likely to see a cocker at a major than a Kylio

 

[Ben Frain]

I can notice a difference in speed between a cocker and an open bolt (e.g. Angel) most noticeably in the first shot (not so much in strings).

I feel the reason for this is that with a cocker the bolt first has to come back, a ball drop in the breech and then the bolt move forward to fire it. With an open bolt, the ball is ready and waiting and all you are waiting for is the bolt to move forward.

I'm probably over simplifying things but that's the way I understand it??

 

[QuackingPlums]

same

Originally posted by martin
ok i am not going to write loads as my speling is rubbish.

A open bolt guns does the same thing just in a different order.
The marker fires the bolt flys forward for a factory set unadjustable time then it aplieas a shot dwell. the bolt returns on unadjustable time waits for a ball and waits for it to stop bouncing around and repeats. So please tell y a e cocker is slower because of added 'stages'?

It's not slower unless it's badly setup. Or fiddled with (and we all know what a bunch of "fiddlers" we paintballers are... )

I'm not going to describe the firing cycles in depth either but yes - at the end of the day, press trigger, bolt moves back and forth, paint comes out of the end.
The extra stages are there to increase the consistency of the firing cycle - for example, let's take a standard stacked-tube open-bolt where the bolt is attached to the hammer via a bolt pin. Bolt/hammer moves forward, hits the valve, and is held there for an amount of time (the dwell time) before the whole assembly is reset. In a cocker, the bolt is not connected to the hammer, so u have to make sure the bolt doesn't start moving back before the valve has closed, or else you get gas blowing back up the feedneck. Set this delay right, and it's no slower than an open bolt. Set it wrong, and the gun is either slower, or you get all kinds of trouble with air blowing paint back up the feedneck etc.

You could take out all the extra stages of the e-cocker and it'll probably be as fast and inconsistent as any open bolt gun on the market. The extra stages of the firing cycle in a cocker are what gives it the edge over competition in my opinion. Until we're all allowed to play with full-auto at 40bps I'm happy to drop my ROF to 20 or so and have the consistency benefits of a cocker.

 

[QuackingPlums]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
I can notice a difference in speed between a cocker and an open bolt (e.g. Angel) most noticeably in the first shot (not so much in strings).

I feel the reason for this is that with a cocker the bolt first has to come back, a ball drop in the breech and then the bolt move forward to fire it. With an open bolt, the ball is ready and waiting and all you are waiting for is the bolt to move forward.

I'm probably over simplifying things but that's the way I understand it??

With a closed bolt cocker, if there's no ball in the breach then the first shot fires nothing at all!

 

[Collier]

Wait, you're not trying to say that cockers (generic) are the only guns capable of being consistant over a chrono are you??