Paintstorm cheating scandal

[Mark]

Hey peachie!

Originally posted by brian
Dude,we(showtime) played Knauf on field 4 and their spare player was seen(by a few others),and heard by the english judge on said field!) coaching their snake guy up the snake!did a quick check,found out we really was playing 7man and asked the ultimate why Knauf were playing by x-ball rules?basically the answer we got was"we saw nothing!!".............. ..Frenchie(guest player)

The comment noted by your captain was dealt with like that.... "noted". The english Judge on the snake side was actually german.....(he spoke very good english and too long an explination as to why) the fact was he heard anything was that he heard "something" from the sidelines and given that there were several spectators on that side who could it have been ....it wasn't known nor could it be accused...all subsequent games spectators were informed to stay put from wherever they were standing or if they had team assciations to stay on the 50 yard line but on that teams side also of course to be quiet...this became null and void later with the netting problems where we stopped any spectators on that side and even ran tapes and stakes out to stop people coming around though several still did ....to those people why do you think a tape barrier was there? for fun? Until that time we did indeed have a tape line approx 1 metre from the netting.
Without direct proof....IE a ref seeing/hearing it and knowing who said/indicated what , not hearsay from other spectators no warnings can be attached to the team accused.
Vocal protests by a spectator in one case very nearly ended with severe penalties for the team they were associated with although the captain denied all knowledge or association of this spectator.

 

[brian]

Ok

Mark,point taken,and in the heat of the moment,things weren,t prob as bad as they were!the person who told us about said goings on was not in no way connected to us (didn,t even know us!) so his comments could be construed as biased/questionable.The netting concerning people going to that side of the field were sorted but people were still getting around by means of the car park!This is not going to turn into a "what really went on?",what happened,happened and we will live with it.The judges were not to blame as they didn,t see what went on and its no use crying over what could have been.The fact that the judges noted this and did something about it is enough to make me think that it wouldn,t/didn,t happen to anyone else,and am glad the judges actually listened and acted upon information supplied to them.P.s...He was german???.....spoke better english than we do...Fair play to him(nice guy).anyway,its over so no good will come over what was/could have been...

 

[Grendel-Khan]

I think the obvious answer is to change the rules to allow spectator involvement. Do we really want marshalls walking around the fields telling evrybody to shut up? Sounds like a job for the Fun Police! That wouldn't make for a very spectator friendly enviroment. Might as well go back in the woods. If everybody on the sidelines is ahootin and a hollerin then it would lessen the impact of "sideline coaching" from peeps tryting to get a leg up. I love that when I watch the NXL I can get as excited as I want, and nobody from the teams has to watch me to make sure I follow "The Appropriate Behavioral Guidelines for the Watching and Enjoying of Paintball Matches"

 

[FAMINE]

I agree on the whole spectator participation.

We arent in the woods anymore and the whole sneaky hidey thing gets dull
Besides most people are so focused they dont hear outside the net, and with a whole crowd screaming chances of making sense of it would be small, yet the shouting would help boost players

 

[Tom Allen]

Crowd participation - YES.

Coaching from the sideline to create an advantage - NO

At the end of the day, don't these people have any morals.

Where are the cheat boards, take an educated guess.
Who does the wiping, take another guess.
Which players play through hits, take, yet another guess.

 

[Alien_Balliztix]

Originally posted by FAMINE
Besides most people are so focused they dont hear outside the net, and with a whole crowd screaming chances of making sense of it would be small, yet the shouting would help boost players

A good example of this would be One of the points to be had by the London Tigers. Absolutely everyone had been shot out, leaving just one tiger player at his end of snake.
The whole crowd (and I mean EVERYONE!) was shouting "get the flag!, get the flag!"
he couldnt make out at all what everyone was saying even his own coach. He must of stood there for about a minute trying to figure it out, but it felt like five-ten. I am in no way saying he did wrong or the crowd did wrong. Just an example of too many people shouting=garbled Rhubarb

 

[Banzi]

I cannot understand why spectator participation is not allowed, as it only adds to the atmosphere and increases the enjoyment of watching the games.
(X-ball at campaign has really opend my eyes)

We did witness a few spectators at campaign pointing and shouting durnig the 7 man, but really do believe this was because they had all been watching X-ball and forgot they cant shout/point. (even I pointed out a player to the girlfriend then remembered its not allowed)

With the current 7 man rules what is to stop every team adopting the tactic of gettin a mate from work to shout info to the oppersition everytime they have a tough match just to shed an element of doubt on the teams playing ethics, or even worse penalty pointed?

I think the marshals have more than enough to do in the field without having to enforce crowd control too


There are just the ramblings of an old man still trying to play paintball

 

[PEACHIE]

I have nothing against spectator participation and would like to see it allowed in 7 man on the proviso that like xball, spectators cant get so close to the game that they can actively coach. However, the rules at the moment state that this is not allowed and until they are changed the marshalls have to enforce them which in the case of our game they did. It would be good to see tournament organisers taking adequate steps to make sure that spectators are aware of the differences between xball and 7 man. Some signage on netting and entrances to 7 man would help.

 

[L J]

at campaign when we were on the sideline (spectator side) Steve Morris came up to us and said we werent allowed to stand there and help them, wtf is that about???!!!

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by L J
at campaign when we were on the sideline (spectator side) Steve Morris came up to us and said we werent allowed to stand there and help them, wtf is that about???!!!

Misunderstanding. We were supposed to keep all spectators away from the netting for obvious safety reasons. When I could, while I was reffing, I asked people to get off the nets and behind the railing. Coaching from the sidelines is totally OK, just proper safety dictates that spectators have to stay off the nets and a half-meter or so away from them.

Unfortunately the crowds took over right behind the nets and I had to concentrate on reffing.

Didn't mean to single you out.

BTW. I agree that X Ball has influenced PB spectators and it is hard to change back to the old learned habit of keeping quiet on the sidelines. I think sideline coaching would take away an important part of that which makes 7-player different than 5-player. It is more strategic and instructing from the sidelines would destroy a lot of that. If we want to preserve 7-player the only thing we can do is build the arenas in such a way as to keep spectators a safe and healthy distance from the playing field (say 15 meters) so that sideline coaching is ineffective. X Ball and standard 7-player are two different animals.

Steve