Rancid get with the program
This is reality. Pubs will and do serve kids knowingly or other wise......... mumble years ago I was getting served at 14 I hasten to add I was drinking orange but buying beers for my mates. Kids smoke. Kids do drugs. Kids sell drugs 14 and upwards. Kids get each other pregnant and make yet more kids. The 14 to 19 year olds have the highest percentage of clamidia, ok no nasty sympotoms often nothing at all untill you hit 30 and want kids. It makes people sterile.
It's frigtening out there.
It's more to do with making younger people aware of the results of their actions and the consecunces. By the time I was 25 I had lost 2 freinds through drugs and stupidity 6 or so people I was at school with. It gets no better. They were not stupid. They were not from bad familys.
I am really happy this thread is up and here and you guys are sharing this. Whilst starting our young guns team this was some thing I had been very much aware of and have spoken to as may of the parents involved as possible. Paintball is great and most of the younger player I know it's often one of the few things that motivates them. to quote pledge "mum can I play this week end? How many hours of home work?" Good luck to all of you
Life is what you make of it and yes it's about your attitude and if you keep your mind open to new idears you never were you might end up. Exams matter they always do they give you a foot in the door and when things go tits up like they always do just when you least expect it they are there to say yes I have studied I have a brain I can use it. It's one easy way to label people and most big companies won't take the time to find out, you fill in their forms with no space for any thing else.
Getting off my soap box now
Peace love and cookies
Sparklie
This is reality. Pubs will and do serve kids knowingly or other wise......... mumble years ago I was getting served at 14 I hasten to add I was drinking orange but buying beers for my mates. Kids smoke. Kids do drugs. Kids sell drugs 14 and upwards. Kids get each other pregnant and make yet more kids. The 14 to 19 year olds have the highest percentage of clamidia, ok no nasty sympotoms often nothing at all untill you hit 30 and want kids. It makes people sterile.
It's frigtening out there.
It's more to do with making younger people aware of the results of their actions and the consecunces. By the time I was 25 I had lost 2 freinds through drugs and stupidity 6 or so people I was at school with. It gets no better. They were not stupid. They were not from bad familys.
I am really happy this thread is up and here and you guys are sharing this. Whilst starting our young guns team this was some thing I had been very much aware of and have spoken to as may of the parents involved as possible. Paintball is great and most of the younger player I know it's often one of the few things that motivates them. to quote pledge "mum can I play this week end? How many hours of home work?" Good luck to all of you
Life is what you make of it and yes it's about your attitude and if you keep your mind open to new idears you never were you might end up. Exams matter they always do they give you a foot in the door and when things go tits up like they always do just when you least expect it they are there to say yes I have studied I have a brain I can use it. It's one easy way to label people and most big companies won't take the time to find out, you fill in their forms with no space for any thing else.
Getting off my soap box now
Peace love and cookies
Sparklie
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Phoenix
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I totally have to agree with Sparklie. My best friends back from high school got into some serious drugs. I never really got into it, but they just kept going. One is missing now (yes, missing), and a few others are pretty much worthless. Some got out of the scene and are now productive, but I don't see them anymore. I don't know what to say the best advice for a parent is. I have noticed parents who baby their kids and let them do whatever the hell they want are the ones whose kids go nuts. My dad was a Lt.Col in the Air Force, an Academy grad, and a strict (but fair) disciplinarian. I'm not going to lie, me and my dad got into it quite a bit when I was a teenager. Then again, what teenage male doesn't lock horns with their father. I see my two younger cousins and they will cry until they get what they want. The parents never really control them, and it scares me.
I wish I had a copy of Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, but I am going to do my best to paraphrase a part in the book: You have a puppy and it makes a mess on the carpet. Instead of smacking it on the nose, and yelling at you just ask it not to do it again... will it listen? Now you continue this treatment when it tears up the slippers, barks incessently, etc. until it is a full grown dog, how is that dog going to act? It is going to mess everywhere, rip stuff up, and not listen to the owner. Then the dog pound is going to catch it and put it in the pound. Is it the dog's fault? Or is it the owner for not training and raising the puppy right?
Now, I don't think Sparklie and myself are trying to frighten parents into locking the kids up. I don't want to speak for her, but I am just informing where I was 4 years ago. Most kids don't grow up to be hooligans, take solice in that
Just encourage your kids, love them, discipline when needs be, and buy them paintball equipment.
I wish I had a copy of Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, but I am going to do my best to paraphrase a part in the book: You have a puppy and it makes a mess on the carpet. Instead of smacking it on the nose, and yelling at you just ask it not to do it again... will it listen? Now you continue this treatment when it tears up the slippers, barks incessently, etc. until it is a full grown dog, how is that dog going to act? It is going to mess everywhere, rip stuff up, and not listen to the owner. Then the dog pound is going to catch it and put it in the pound. Is it the dog's fault? Or is it the owner for not training and raising the puppy right?
Now, I don't think Sparklie and myself are trying to frighten parents into locking the kids up. I don't want to speak for her, but I am just informing where I was 4 years ago. Most kids don't grow up to be hooligans, take solice in that
Just encourage your kids, love them, discipline when needs be, and buy them paintball equipment.
It may have been a joke but they're problems that a lot of people and families have to go through and cope with - many of whom, as you'll have read and seen on tv don't survive....
I visit the States a lot, usually about twice a year and whenever I go over the attitude to drinking compared to that over here in England is unbelievable. Whenever I'm out at a party in the states then you'll have 19 year olds who will automatically order a coke or lemonade - or a non-alcoholic cocktail without even thinking about it. Whereas in England you'll have a 15 year old who'd rather not buy anything if they can't be served alcohol!
And do you wanna know why a lot of this is true it the states?? It's because they actually enforce the laws towards underage drinking/smoking drugs etc. more efficiently and effectively.
Also, the bars in America are constantly under inspection from a certain company/authority (I cannot remember the name), but they have employees go undercover in the bars and if they suspect and find that a minor is being supplied alcohol then not only does the under age individual get dealt with - but the actual bar itself can be shut down and fined!! I know this, because my uncle in the States runs about 4 bars over there and he was once shut down for a week and fined something like $7,000 dollars for serving a minor alcohol once.
What's more, is that if a minor is caught drinking alcohol, drunk, or buying alcohol (one of them anyway), then the childs parent can go to jail for it. It's amazing when you think about it compared to England.
I don't mean to be disrespectfull, but what a sh*tload of cr*p!
About the underage drinking, have you ever been to an American college? Don't think so from what you're saying. Drugs? How do you explain that the USA has by far the biggest drug problem compared to, for instance, the UK and Holland, even keeping in mind that a lot of it is either legal, or tolerated where I live....And I'm not only talking about actual numbers (that would be unfair, given that the USA is far larger than our countries), but percentage wise as well.
Ok, I was wrong on the drug thing (I was mainly talking about drinking). But what I was trying to get at is that at least in the states I can see stuff being done about the underage drinking problems, you can feel the presence of the authorities and you'd think twice about getting pissed at a bar in the States. Of course you've got all the drunken keg parties on campus, but they're private (or not so private as the case may be ) and you get that in England too of course. But when I come back here I head out the the pub and there's sooo many people there buying direct over the bar without a care in the world! Practically nothing is done to enforce it!! The only people you might occasionally see do something are the Pub owners and not the cops or the parents! (Of course you do get the good ickle children, but they're not the issue)
) and you get that in England too of course. But when I come back here I head out the the pub and there's sooo many people there buying direct over the bar without a care in the world! Practically nothing is done to enforce it!! The only people you might occasionally see do something are the Pub owners and not the cops or the parents! (Of course you do get the good ickle children, but they're not the issue)
That's true.
But are the 14/15 year old kids that drink really a problem? Most of them turn out okay. I did. I'm not saying that you should let youngsters turn into alcoholics, but I don't think there's too much wrong with having a 15 year old get drunk every once in a while, get home and get shouted at by mom and dad. That's the way it's been for ages. Hell, it's almost tradition!
The way I see it, it's not things like that, that constitute 'the problem'. I think a lot of parents nowadays are just plain weak. Like it's been said by Phoenix, there's an absolute lack of discipline. I'm not saying parents should smack their kids up, not at all, but the way it is now is that you actually can be charged with assault if you smack one of your kids on the butt for being a serious pain in the neck. THAT is the stupidest thing I ever heard of.
But are the 14/15 year old kids that drink really a problem? Most of them turn out okay. I did. I'm not saying that you should let youngsters turn into alcoholics, but I don't think there's too much wrong with having a 15 year old get drunk every once in a while, get home and get shouted at by mom and dad. That's the way it's been for ages. Hell, it's almost tradition!
The way I see it, it's not things like that, that constitute 'the problem'. I think a lot of parents nowadays are just plain weak. Like it's been said by Phoenix, there's an absolute lack of discipline. I'm not saying parents should smack their kids up, not at all, but the way it is now is that you actually can be charged with assault if you smack one of your kids on the butt for being a serious pain in the neck. THAT is the stupidest thing I ever heard of.
Yes your right - most of them are just our for a good time, have a great time, pass through the first few years and carry on with their lives and turn out fine. But it's kinda scary when you hear about a kid who went out on the piss for a night and get's killed from alchohol poisoning cos they just couldn't take it, or become seriously injured or worse after crashing their car that night after recently passing their test - or when in the car with an older friend who can drive etc. I know that a lot of this is down to stupid kids and bad decisions. But you can have a perfectly good kid, who smart and not usually trouble, but things happen when their pissed that they can't necssarily make good judgement calls and I'd say it's more for their protection, because they're not expereinced enough and not the fact that they're 'just not old enough'.
I completely agree that it's hugely down to the parents fault too. You have to have some discipline if your going to have a healthy relationship between yourself and you parents when your that age. And it's you parents job to guide you through those years of your life. A rant here and there or a smack now and then never did me any harm! And if it gets the point across then great! But obviously if not, then something else is required - not harder smacking though! It the weak parents that let their kids do whatever they wish that are often the problem.
I don't think there's too much wrong with having a 15 year old get drunk every once in a while, get home and get shouted at by mom and dad. That's the way it's been for ages. Hell, it's almost tradition!
He he, that's exactly what I told my mom - but she wouldn't have any of it!!
basicaly people are growing up faster, maybe not mentaly but physicaly. And its because society has changed, i mean in two areas specificaly.....drinking and sex.
im 17 and i have loads of friends who are like 24-26, all of which would have said they were pretty out there in their teens. but when i have told them stuff i had done at 16 they were shocked saying that was stuff they had not done till uni or something.
and that tends to be true, i can just think that im an exception, because i know that its not true. people have access to drink, drugs, sex etc very earley compared to even 10 years ago
im 17 and i have loads of friends who are like 24-26, all of which would have said they were pretty out there in their teens. but when i have told them stuff i had done at 16 they were shocked saying that was stuff they had not done till uni or something.
and that tends to be true, i can just think that im an exception, because i know that its not true. people have access to drink, drugs, sex etc very earley compared to even 10 years ago