Oooooh!! Dynasty FA Scandal!!

[Baca Loco]

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Originally posted by Juggernout
I speak German - short translation.

1--In the first game against the Camp Tigers two Shockers tested by the refs bounced massivley so the had to change to their back up guns. One of those backup guns didnt work either so he took another gun and went to the chrono station while the other players, whos guns were ok, were waiting on the field. While the 10seconds warning a Dynasty player shot a single shot first and then a whole salve (!) because of massive bounce and the refs did a Freeze so he can change his gun again!

2--In the game there was a one-on-one because abusive language by Greenspawn. The audience saw and heard the massive bouncing of one of the Dynasty players and protested but Dynasty made the game.

3--In the next game versus the German Pros Team Millenium Dynasty had two change two guns again at the chrono because of massive bounce ! When all players where on field and ready to play the marshalls and the ultimate marshall of the tournament decided to make a big check of all guns on the field. Millienum who plays Eblayde (which are known for bounce problems) had no bouncing guns in the whole team !
But Dynasty seemed to had big problems and after a crowd was built around Dynasty on the field Dynasty suddenly left the field ! So it seems the Ultimate Marshalö decided to not let them play with those massive bouncing guns. Zero points !

Sorry for my English but its not my mother tongue and I hope u understand something

greetz
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1--on it's face this seems a likely rules violation as rule state, rather vaguely, that use of alternate markers is only acceptable if time permits and I wonder who else would have had the 10-second countdown stopped for them to swap out guns. In fact 17.6 and 19.6 would seem to suggest the player must be eliminated.
2--rules, as written in 4.0 currently online--don't allow for a 1-for-1 strictly on basis of abusive language. The applicable rules seem to be 27.6 and 34.2 which only call for elimination of offending player. 34.3 calls for a 1-for-1 but only on condition of physical contact and one of the catch-all conduct rules, 35.9, allows for a 1-for-1 but also requires a 2 game suspension.
3--latest rules allow for this specific situation and seem to state that players with non-compliant markers are eliminated.

So, my questions are--just what happened? And how accurately were the rules enforced? Same applies to TonTon prelim game and I'm also wondering about posted claim Dynakids were given upwards of 45 minutes sometime during the semis to get their markers in order. If so, at what point in time does bending over backwards to "help" out one team place an unacceptable hardship on the rest of the competitors?

 

[BaddahBoom]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
I'm also wondering about posted claim Dynakids were given upwards of 45 minutes sometime during the semis to get their markers in order. If so, at what point in time does bending over backwards to "help" out one team place an unacceptable hardship on the rest of the competitors?

I was wondering the same thing
and let's hope Steve can give an answer


and about 'inappropriate' language
i've seen other players also get warned once when asking for a paintcheck on an opponent when they used sentences like
"check him check get him the F*&# out "

so a second offense would lead to an elimination
like stated in
34.2 Judges will eliminate players for the following infractions (including, but not limited to):
- second offense on the use of inappropriate language

maybe Ryan kept on cursing after he got eliminated
hence the 1for1

 

[noop]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
First, if the "abusive language" was directed at the refs and not merely the Dynakids being upset then the call has to be made. Every rule in the rulebook that is routinely ignored adds to the general disrepect for the rules, and as a by-product, for the game itself.

Understood. That is why I stated, "And I'm not just talking about this incident. I'm talking about it as a 'rule of play.'" But then again, I was simply referring to "the use of abusive language," not "verbally abusing a ref," which I consider to be two very different matters. While I certainly do not believe referees should have to deal with verbal abuse, I also don't believe that game affecting penalties should be made because someone said **** a few times.

Originally posted by Baca Loco
And what does Millennium have to do with this? They were just the other team waiting to play a game.

Nothing, except, as you said, they were the other team waiting to play the game. Some people would probably remember that, even though Millennium may have had nothing to do with it.

 

[noop]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
... I'm also wondering about posted claim Dynakids were given upwards of 45 minutes sometime during the semis to get their markers in order.

I believe the "45 minutes" was not just for them, but also for their opponents too (Arsenal).

But yah, any time is bull****. It's not like it is team problem, so much as it is an individual problem, and those individuals who don't see it fit to bring a legal gun to the game, should play the game without one. I think someone may have wrote a rule somewhere about that too...

 

[BaddahBoom]

maybe it's appropriate across the pond
but generally speaking over here it's still considered inappropriate language or a show of disrespect
besides
i wonder why u should use the word at all, especially when u want someone to do somethng for u,
it's not as if a marshall is more inclined to check a player
when u shout for it while using the word F@#* every other three words

 

[Duncster]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
...and I'm also wondering about posted claim Dynakids were given upwards of 45 minutes sometime during the semis to get their markers in order. If so, at what point in time does bending over backwards to "help" out one team place an unacceptable hardship on the rest of the competitors?

I actually had a text just after this happened from a friend on STORM, who said that this took about 30 minutes... so I would say it was still a considerable amount of time...

...due to the importance of the game about to played, I would sincerely hope that this courtesy would be paid to any team - ie, not just Dynasty - but who knows...

D.

 

[Takedown]

Originally posted by Duncster

...due to the importance of the game about to played, I would sincerely hope that this courtesy would be paid to any team - ie, not just Dynasty - but who knows...

D.

I remember last year in France both Strange and the Russian's playing short because their guns bounced.

 

[noop]

Originally posted by BaddahBoom
maybe it's appropriate across the pond
but generally speaking over here it's still considered inappropriate language or a show of disrespect
besides
i wonder why u should use the word at all, especially when u want someone to do somethng for u,
it's not as if a marshall is more inclined to check a player
when u shout for it while using the word F@#* every other three words

I don't know, maybe I'm just wrong on the matter...but I know that I don't want to lose a game because I slipped up and said "****ing." I'm playing paintball, not thinking about how appropriate or respectful I am being, you know?

And besides, it's not even fair, because you can go off cursing in Dutch or Frisian, and no one would be the wiser!

 

[BaddahBoom]

Originally posted by noop
I'm playing paintball, not thinking about how appropriate or respectful I am being, you know?

sure i understand that
but since english isn't the native language language for most people overhere it will still be considered offensive
and i think it would be penalised in other sports in the states
as well if u talk like that to a ref or am i mistaken ??

Originally posted by noop

And besides, it's not even fair, because you can go off cursing in Dutch or Frisian, and no one would be the wiser!

True Dat,
but if i ask a marshall in Dutch to check an opponent
no checks will occur
hell maybe i get eliminated for using inappropriate language
coz Dutch surely can sound offensive

(i am not even talking about cussing in dutch
coz that involves all sorts of diseases <generally speaking>
and if marshalls would understand that
i guess the result would be a one for 6 or worse)

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Takedown
I remember last year in France both Strange and the Russian's playing short because their guns bounced.

The ruling last year also included a 3 game suspension which resulted, in Strange's case, in having to finish semis against Miami and begin finals against Dynasty down a body.