Why don't you want the competition? Surely it will be better for the sport if the NXL vs. S7 barrier is broken down so all the pros can play each other freely.
NXL v's The Rest of the World
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Good for who?
That does appear to be what Gyroscope is saying actually, bu tto play devils advocate...
Who would it be good for? If the NXL teams beat up on the S7 teams (in standard 7-man format, I assume that's what we're assuming they'll play) then it'd be great for the NXL, they could legitimately claim to have the "best of the best". It would suck for the S7s it would prove that their "pro" bracket is meaningless, the real pros play NXL.
But, if the S7 teams opened up a can of wup-ass on the NXL teams proving that all that playing of X-Ball means that they are no longer ready for 7-man tourney ball as we know it, then that would leave the NXL with egg on their faces...
Is this really why the NXL doesn't want its teams to play anywhere else? I don't know, its a theory.
With things the way it is, both the NXL and S7s can claim to be the real deal
Richard
P.s. Welcome back Sam, unless I've missed you, you've been away for a while
That does appear to be what Gyroscope is saying actually, bu tto play devils advocate...
Who would it be good for? If the NXL teams beat up on the S7 teams (in standard 7-man format, I assume that's what we're assuming they'll play) then it'd be great for the NXL, they could legitimately claim to have the "best of the best". It would suck for the S7s it would prove that their "pro" bracket is meaningless, the real pros play NXL.
But, if the S7 teams opened up a can of wup-ass on the NXL teams proving that all that playing of X-Ball means that they are no longer ready for 7-man tourney ball as we know it, then that would leave the NXL with egg on their faces...
Is this really why the NXL doesn't want its teams to play anywhere else? I don't know, its a theory.
With things the way it is, both the NXL and S7s can claim to be the real deal
Richard
P.s. Welcome back Sam, unless I've missed you, you've been away for a while
What are you talking about? I don't want the NXL teams to stay out of the S7. It is a stipulation of the contract the NXL players sign that they may not play any non-NXL events except for Mardi Gras. I didn't suggest that stipulation, as I am just some paintballin' shmo. I want all players to play wherever they want.
Perhaps I was unclear. I wish to represent my views as well as possible, and I realize I said kind of a lot without many words. I have prepared the following translation of my earlier comments.
"My feeling?"
translation: The following statement reflects my subjective judgement.
"NXL teams will come to 7 man prepared to whomp the few pros left in the S7. "
trans: Aftershock could beat Dynasty, Ironmen could beat Naughty Dogs, anybody could beat Fury.
"It would be nice if they were allowed to... "
trans: I would prefer a state of affairs where the teams and players of the NXL were allowed to play against these S7 teams
"but I think that will break loose soon. "
trans: I believe that the PSP sponsors will exert pressure to change the adversarial environment that currently surround the NPPL sanctioned events and those produce by the PSP. The companies that support professional paintball are the parties with the most influence and the most at stake. They will ultimately see that if there are thousands of people attending ABC events, and thousands of people attending XYZ events, they shopuld have a presence at both ABC and XYZ events. When the sponsors say it is time to end the foolishness, it will soon after end. At that time, the NXL players will be released from the current prohibitions they now face.
The name that is on the bottom of the check is the name of the party with the most power.
"My feeling?"
translation: The following statement reflects my subjective judgement.
"NXL teams will come to 7 man prepared to whomp the few pros left in the S7. "
trans: Aftershock could beat Dynasty, Ironmen could beat Naughty Dogs, anybody could beat Fury.
"It would be nice if they were allowed to... "
trans: I would prefer a state of affairs where the teams and players of the NXL were allowed to play against these S7 teams
"but I think that will break loose soon. "
trans: I believe that the PSP sponsors will exert pressure to change the adversarial environment that currently surround the NPPL sanctioned events and those produce by the PSP. The companies that support professional paintball are the parties with the most influence and the most at stake. They will ultimately see that if there are thousands of people attending ABC events, and thousands of people attending XYZ events, they shopuld have a presence at both ABC and XYZ events. When the sponsors say it is time to end the foolishness, it will soon after end. At that time, the NXL players will be released from the current prohibitions they now face.
The name that is on the bottom of the check is the name of the party with the most power.
Good for who?
Now this result wouldn't happen for a couple of reasons. In general the NXL teams are superior to most of the world's other "pro" teams and the NXL teams that have understood what X-Ball requires from them are in the process of elevating and refining their games to a place they haven't been before. This changing skill set is applicable to other standards of paintball. End result--NXL teams are expanding the frontiers of paintball and will begin to pull away from teams that don't learn the new lessons and skills.
(This, btw, is the only value in Nation's Cup X-Ball. It at least hints at what is possible.)
2--at least open for debate right now but should NXL ever make television a reality they will have, de facto, staked their claim.
1--why? Isn't the excuse the Euros always used for failure to succeed at 10-man was that they didn't play it enough to be truly competitive?
Now this result wouldn't happen for a couple of reasons. In general the NXL teams are superior to most of the world's other "pro" teams and the NXL teams that have understood what X-Ball requires from them are in the process of elevating and refining their games to a place they haven't been before. This changing skill set is applicable to other standards of paintball. End result--NXL teams are expanding the frontiers of paintball and will begin to pull away from teams that don't learn the new lessons and skills.
(This, btw, is the only value in Nation's Cup X-Ball. It at least hints at what is possible.)
2--at least open for debate right now but should NXL ever make television a reality they will have, de facto, staked their claim.
Re: Good for who?
And the response from the Millenium series would be a closed X Ball Millenum league?
Re: Re: Good for who?
Not necessarily, as X-Ball is played in Nation's Cup format now only by agreement with X-Ball's owners.
Re: Good for who?
1. Who's to say, we just can't tell untill such time as they are pitted against each other. I know that the vast majority of the top pro teams now play NXL, but not all.
2. Really? Is the way to win at 7-Man to practice 5-man X-Ball? To me that doesn't make much sense. Why do you say that?
3. That and its fun to watch (or so I'm told), otherwise agreed.
4. Just because it's on TV that doesn't mean its full of the top players, just that the NXL will have managed to convince some TV exec. 5 years of TV coverage down the line, yeah it'll be full of the top guys, becuase they'll be payed the most money.
Richard
I am assuming that the standard for comparison will be 7-Man paintball, maybe even 10 (Millenium until last year was the real international standard). If you are assuming X-Ball as the standard, well then very little of the following will make any sense and most of what you say rests...
1. Who's to say, we just can't tell untill such time as they are pitted against each other. I know that the vast majority of the top pro teams now play NXL, but not all.
2. Really? Is the way to win at 7-Man to practice 5-man X-Ball? To me that doesn't make much sense. Why do you say that?
3. That and its fun to watch (or so I'm told), otherwise agreed.
4. Just because it's on TV that doesn't mean its full of the top players, just that the NXL will have managed to convince some TV exec. 5 years of TV coverage down the line, yeah it'll be full of the top guys, becuase they'll be payed the most money.
Richard
Re: Re: Good for who?
1--I think I just did. Isn't that good enough for you?
2--Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the demands of X-Ball are creating refined and translatable skills and concepts that can be applied to 7-man or 10-man or regular 5-man play. I'm also saying that evolving understanding of the X-Ball game is and will create a widening gulf between those who play it and those who don't.
4--and because they will be playing the most demanding variation of the game yet devised.
I am suggesting the demands of playing X-Ball effectively are teaching the teams and players new things.
1--I think I just did. Isn't that good enough for you?
2--Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the demands of X-Ball are creating refined and translatable skills and concepts that can be applied to 7-man or 10-man or regular 5-man play. I'm also saying that evolving understanding of the X-Ball game is and will create a widening gulf between those who play it and those who don't.
4--and because they will be playing the most demanding variation of the game yet devised.
Do you think it at all likely that X-ballers may be able to "show-boat" at millenium events, at least to promote themselves to the international scene?
It's all very nice having nations-cup X-ball teams at each millenium event, but, unless I'm completely mistaken, we don't have a solid X-ball league over this side of the pond, and as such we won't get the oppurtunity to judge the benefits of X-Ball for ourselves....
D.
It's all very nice having nations-cup X-ball teams at each millenium event, but, unless I'm completely mistaken, we don't have a solid X-ball league over this side of the pond, and as such we won't get the oppurtunity to judge the benefits of X-Ball for ourselves....
D.