NXL Player Decision

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
On another note oh Evil One, do you subscribe to the idea that if the PSP goes pop, the demise of the NXL is then invitable?

I'm not E1 but I couldn't resist. How 'bout the flip side? I have long suscribed to the notion that if the NXL succeeds the PSP goes Pop!

I also think all this fretting over who will "qualify" for NPPL Pro next year is overblown--at least as it applies to American teams. Imagine if the PSP and/or NXL were to fold leaving those teams plus RL relegated to Division 1 NPPL. It would a) be a joke, b) the NPPL isn't in the driver's seat yet, c) there's a lot of industry power behind the teams that might be left out, and d) the Fox deal isn't so good that PP can dictate who is a Pro team and who isn't.

 

[Lucky.One]

Baca,
I would buy into that idea, if they are busy running their TV teams, why bother with the events. But they would probably retain ownership and have Lane run independently. I also don't think PureP is swinging a huge bat either but they certainly added something to think about.

 

[Robbo]

hey A.

Point 1. As I see it, the Brothers G haven't got all their eggs in the NXL basket, they are well placed to put paintball on TV in whatever format they like and this doesn't necessarily include the NXL.
I don't know this for sure but if I were Richmond I would be looking to make sure that if the PSP did go pop and the NXL even looked likely to follow, then I would be positioning XBall well outside of those events.

Point 2. Come on A !!!! You think all these guys would choose to work together unless there was the promise of a huge pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?
I think the chemistry is there for a big bang unless a significant income stream is developed in the short term for the NXL / PSP.

Point 3. I don't think there will be any merger as all PP has to do, is sit and wait and all that would have been put on the table in any proposed merger will sooner or later be there by default.
I think XBall (or a simliar styled format) should be played by the NPPL pros, yes, 100% in agreement with that mate.

And to answer your last question, if I were boss what would I want to happen, hmmmm, XBall is the future, of that I am sure !
Richmond needs to disentangle it at this stage I think.
I also think the best vehicle for it, is the NPPL because then paintball as a whole, can get the best of both worlds.
Best format with best promoters with the best teams.
A unified circuit is the way to go not only for the player and just as importantly for the industry to get behind.
If only.........

Baca, I agree with most of what you said but PP can dicate what they like in this situation, it has notihng to do with the potential success of any Fox deal.
If they do become the sole circuit, then if it's the only game in town, you can deal to who you like tho I do concede, some teams may have more influence than others and pressure will be bought to bear...but not all teams mate, not all

And if you think about it, the NXL ain't exactly representing the best either, with Dynsasty, Dogs, RL, Infamous, Lanche not being in attendance, so that cuts both ways mate.

 

[BWillie]

Originally posted by evil.one
But they would probably retain ownership and have Lane run independently.

And isn't that what's already happening???

 

[Lucky.One]

P,
1. The G-unit as a business have hedged their bets, but their ego will mean the P.Americans need to be in the lime light, where ever it is, but I bet they would prop up the NXL idea a little longer if it fractured, but that depends on what they know. IF they continue to prop it up, mostly on their own, that means they think they will be laughing all the way to the bank at some point. They believe something and they have recently shown to stick with it. I wouldn't ignore that either. They do have play money.
2. RM and DY have always been tight. Then there is the G-factor and the midget would do whatever is going to bring the green. The disney deal maybe key, who holds the strings there? Who is the front man? Doesn't JB and PureP have a hate hate relationship? I think that fuels a two league rivalry right there.
So what dialogue does RI have with PureP? You know more than I, I am as outside as it gets with that circle. Throwing money away stings but swallowing their pride as a group would hurt those PSP guys even more. An option needs to come about for a graceful end.
3. I think unless PureP goes way of xball/5man with RI blessing with an expanded schedule there will be two leagues. Both events draw to many teams. Sitting and waiting wont get it done.

I certainly agree with your hope for the future and the reasoning.

BWillie-Lane may carry the load but the owners are active enough to drive him crazy, I would bet my check.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
1--Baca, I agree with most of what you said but PP can dicate what they like in this situation, it has notihng to do with the potential success of any Fox deal.
2--If they do become the sole circuit, then if it's the only game in town, you can deal to who you like tho I do concede, some teams may have more influence than others and pressure will be bought to bear...but not all teams mate, not all

3--And if you think about it, the NXL ain't exactly representing the best either, with Dynsasty, Dogs, RL, Infamous, Lanche not being in attendance, so that cuts both ways mate.

1--they can dictate what they like but without the power of TV can they make it stick?
2--no doubt but everything in play isn't close to settled. . .yet.
3--I did include RL in my earlier equation but of course it cuts both ways. Yet at the hypothetical place where everyone competes together again the exclusion of certain teams and inclusion of others would make a mockery of the Pro category regardless of the NPPL's dictates and neither the Sport or the TV exposure are so far reaching as to make that work. Credibility with the core constituency still matters and what's working for the NPPL now is their organization, not the validity of their Pro ranks as the foundation of NPPL competition.

Of vastly more import is the question of just what really moves Paintball forward and I'm afraid I don't agree that at this point banding behind one organization with the "right" format is the obvious answer. The "war" has done more for Paintball in less than two years than the previous ten did. And at this stage the umbrella organization(s) have their own set of goals and interests and whose to say they are compatible with the teams and players and game's interests beyond the short term goal of getting on the tube? Not an indictment, just a question.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Of vastly more import is the question of just what really moves Paintball forward and I'm afraid I don't agree that at this point banding behind one organization with the "right" format is the obvious answer. The "war" has done more for Paintball in less than two years than the previous ten did. And at this stage the umbrella organization(s) have their own set of goals and interests and whose to say they are compatible with the teams and players and game's interests beyond the short term goal of getting on the tube? Not an indictment, just a question.

Interesting............I agree that competition, especially in this case, has set the bar far higher than anyone thought possible in regard to tournament promotion and from that, we have all benefited, both player and industry.

I think my answer to your question would be this, I do believe that banding paintball under one banner would move it forward because it financially consolidates the circuit, and in this case, let's say it is the NPPL.
Once this has been done, the investment PP has done in the past, and let's face it Paul, we all know they weren't exactly earning money in that first year, has proved incredibly successful both in terms of getting Paintball on TV (ok it's Fox Sports, but it's a good start mate) and also bringing in outside spectators (HB).

They have also marketed and promoted Paintball outside of the events itself generating media interest to an unprecedented level in whatever locales their tournaments are held in.

Now as I see it, when an organisation like Pure Promotions gets that sorta success with the limited budget they had, then with a unified circuit and a consequent increased revenue stream, think how much more successful they could get working with the same philosophy of business.

It don't take no mathematician to work that one out Paul.

 

[Gyroscope]

I don't see that the PSP is actually losing steam. The NXL seems to be losing some political and symbolic contests, but with the expansion of teams in the Chicago PSP, it seems like they are pretty healthy in terms of # of customers.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by gyroscope
I don't see that the PSP is actually losing steam. The NXL seems to be losing some political and symbolic contests, but with the expansion of teams in the Chicago PSP, it seems like they are pretty healthy in terms of # of customers.

Hey Gyro, I think you need to look, not to customer base but toward the hierarchy for fracture lines.......

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
1--I think my answer to your question would be this, I do believe that banding paintball under one banner would move it forward because it financially consolidates the circuit, and in this case, let's say it is the NPPL.
2--Once this has been done, the investment PP has done in the past, and let's face it Paul, we all know they weren't exactly earning money in that first year, has proved incredibly successful both in terms of getting Paintball on TV (ok it's Fox Sports, but it's a good start mate) and also bringing in outside spectators (HB).
3--They have also marketed and promoted Paintball outside of the events itself generating media interest to an unprecedented level in whatever locales their tournaments are held in.
4--Now as I see it, when an organisation like Pure Promotions gets that sorta success with the limited budget they had, then with a unified circuit and a consequent increased revenue stream, think how much more successful they could get working with the same philosophy of business.

1--I wouldn't argue that consolidation would focus more available resources.
2--Granted, PP has had an excellent plan and made great progress.
3--all true
4--a) the continued competition assures they maintain focus and have every reason not to slip into the old habit (of others) to take their market for granted, and b) when everybodies future is held in one set of hands you better be damn sure you know just what they have in mind. You talk about "success" but then the question is, whose "success?"