NXL Implosion !!

[rancid]

Volunteers of America?

Originally posted by Robbo

I mean, just look at what has happened to X-Ball in Europe if you need any more any examples of money fuelling, decision making processes

But, essentially the correct decision!? Let's face it, they could have spent a fortune on an expensive write-off.

From the start its been a little like a late night smoking-session-ideal-of- paintball. The difference? Well normally you wake up in the morning and realise you were talking fanciful drivel. Take the exclusion contract: 'hey wouldn't it be a good idea if people were contracted'; 'yeah, cos that's like real sport' ; 'yeah, let's put all the detail together and forget about building block number one, that way everyone will know we're serious'.

Put the joint out, clear your head, examine every episode in this sorry tale and evaluate the likelihood......

 

[Gee]

Anyone here anything about the rumours that the NXL teams will be playing at Toulouse???

 

[goose]

NulodPball...

I agree with alot of what you say - but as far as dumbing down a show for an audience - that works great for Baywatch but can't be used for the sports analogy. Look at what happened a few years ago in the U.S. when there was "Scab" football & baseball - true fans bitched & complained - and the fan base was damaged A LOT.

As far as turning their backs on their mates - well if 8 people on a team want to play X - and 2 don't then they either have to suck it up or leave. Not much other options. If whole teams are dissastified then they should leave - and take the chance that if it does make it big that they might not be asked back. (farfetched and probbaly would never happen but still the chance you take).

You are 100% correct that most people play on teams with people the like - when you are paying your own way it pretty well has to be like this. BUT once big money comes into it.... how many NBA/NFL/MLB players like everyone on their respective teams. They play with them because they know that these are the ones who they either have to play with - or these are the ones who will bring them a championship.

I guess in summary I'm saying that TV doesn't care about who's on the X-ball field, they care if the TV audience will watch X-ball

Again I agree 100% - I don't think I said that they MUST have Chris Lasoya etc. - but they will need the majority of the top players - or else the product will be substandard and boring, and the concept won't work.

I just want to say one thing - never have I said whether or not the signing of players to an exclusive contract this year was a good idea, I have said that I understand why they did it, and can see why it will be necessary in the future - but I too believe that for a league in it's infancy it's a little extreme - but once again I understand their motivation and again the teams made a decision to participate - no one held a gun to their head.

People say I am not seeing the whole picture - maybe, maybe not - but there are also many people here who are not looking at the base facts of big business/sports. When it comes to BIG money - there is no loyalty (or very little) and there is no room for second rate. Also once money enters into it players actually choosing to play with their buddies might be a thing of the past - I would love to see Ollie Lang turn down a million dollar contract because he wants to play with his boys, it would be refreshing & actually put a smile on my face if he did turn it down, but money talks and bullsh!t walks theses days.

As Rocky stated earlier - the Naughty Dogs where offered but they turned it down, and I say good for them - but they also must know that if it takes off there is always the possibility that they - as the Naughty Dogs - might not get to play in the NXL. The players might - if picked up by other teams, but the team as a whole might be outta luck.


goose

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

X-Ball

Originally posted by goose
Again I agree 100% - I don't think I said that they MUST have Chris Lasoya etc. - but they will need the majority of the top players - or else the product will be substandard and boring, and the concept won't work.

Really? What X-Ball needs to be to succede (IMO) is EXCITING. I have never seen X-Ball played, I have no chance to do so until the Euro X-Ball show comes to Campaign, it may be exciting, it may be really dull ; I look forward to finding out. But does most exciting = best players? Some of the most interesting paintball I have ever seen was at the English Universities Championship last year, some of the dullest games I have ever seen involved some of the best teams I've seen play. The two are not neccesarily linked.

Some clarifications:

1) when I used the word "Game" reffering to points being won and lost using the towel I did of course mean point, I know how X-Ball works and am aware that it is made up of a lot of points. Forgive me if I didn't know it was done with a buzzer, the rule-book does not reffer to buzzers, it refers to towels.

2) Am I really being sellfish if I don't want X-Ball to succede? Incidentally I would love X-ball to go massive but that is by the by. Will I really reap the benefits? I play in local and national tournaments in the UK, I intend to compete in 1 milenium this year, so will I see any benefits?

The massive success of soccer in this country means that proper footballs cost more, football shirts cost more than you would believe, you have to pay for the privalage of watching the premiership sometimes even on TV! If paintball is going that way do I want to be a part of it?

In fact I am being asked to provide good-will that will alienate me from the top 'ballers, because I don't even play the same GAME anymore, that will probably end up costing me more money. And then when people find out that I play paintball I will be told that its not "real paintball like they play on TV".

bluelite, its good to hear somebody else saying pretty similar things as me, makes me feel less like I've walked into PGI's board room .

 

[duffistuta]

Boardroom? Boadroom?

He thinks we've got a boardroom...ROFLMAO.

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

It was just an expresion...

Hey wasn't there a photograph of y'all in a room with a table in the last PGI? You could call that a boardroom.

More to the point, where are the field maps in the tourney couverage that you hinted at? It's only coz sks posted photos (form warpig) that I know what the JT pyramid looks like...

That's one thing that X-Ball has got right.

Richard

 

[duffistuta]

I was just ****ing about Rich...

>>>Hey wasn't there a photograph of y'all in a room with a table in the last PGI? You could call that a boardroom.

That was Nexus, at Dye...

More to the point, where are the field maps in the tourney couverage that you hinted at? It's only coz sks posted photos (form warpig) that I know what the JT pyramid looks like...

There's one in this month, but we're not going to publish field maps per se...we have to cut thousands of words and pics every month and field diagrams is a luxury we haven't got room for at present.

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

ah well, paintball gods all look the same to me

Ah well, maybe field maps is asking too much. though you could put them up on the website coudln't you?

I promise to shut up about field maps again now (for a bit at least), its just they do make it a great deal easier to understand how the games played if you know what the fields were like, but I know that they do take up space.

Still I'm the customer, I'm always right aren't I?

So what was it we were talking about again?

Richard

 

[duffistuta]

Ah well, maybe field maps is asking too much. though you could put them up on the website coudln't you?

>>>It's certainly something we're looking into

Still I'm the customer, I'm always right aren't I?

>>>Yes sir.

So what was it we were talking about again?

>>>Why XBall is either the second coming of Christ or a dose of the clap.

 

[Urban]

I think it is still too early to tell what affect X-Ball will have on paintball in general.

But I do think it may well hang on what happens at the end of the first season when the players look back in the year gone by. If they look back, think "hey, we only played x number of tournaments while the free agents played three times as many!!" they may well consider walking. Whether this will happen as a complete team or individual players remains to be seen.

I think it has already been mentioned that some of the top players, if they walked now and spent the rest of the year enjoying themselves at whatever tournaments they like, would almost certainly be snatched up again by an X-team should the financial rewards appear for the team(s) that win next year.

Personally, short of putting a very large cash incentive in my pocket right there and then (which just ain't gonna happen!), I would not tie myself to any format if that meant that my team could not play when and where we liked.

Urban