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I do not think a single NXL GAME has been won or lost with the throwing in of a towel (or more properly, hitting the buzzer to stop the clock). Points have been conceded, but not games.

X-Ball is one game made up of multiple flag hangs, which are simply points. To say that the playing of points gets monotenous, is possibly justified, but in what sport is it not.

In American Football, the Baltimore Ravens won a Super Bowl by employeeing a no thrills, no spils offense, and a smothering defense. And then the Rams won with an very easy defense, and a high flying offense. X-Ball has the same possibilities. Some teams will learn to win with a less than spectacular offense, while never making mistakes, and others will learn to go full force and let the chips fall where they may. For now, most teams are simply experimenting with slight variations.

Pete, I cannot believe that you could possibly take into account what has happened at 2 NXL events as a prelude to what the format has to offer or as a sign of what it will be like in the future. Some of the very people who I am sure you spoke with (SC Ironmen) should recognize first hand that they have a long way to go. After looking very bad at the New Orleans event, they were smoking at the LA event. Same could be said for the NY Xtreme guys, but in recerse.

The format is new. The players are, while being the best the sport has to offer, just now learning how to play a format. Nothing makes it more obvious than statements like "games are ending with towels being thrown in". Players, coaches, and paintball playing spectaturs will have to dome to grips with this game is not over with a flag hang. The people who will not have a problem with that concept are the non-playing spectaturs who will recognize that as quite similar to every other sport out there. Points scored for and against, over a defined period of time, in order to determine an eventual winner. Every time a goal is scored in soccer, or a run crosses the plate in baseball, the game isn't decided.

To me the "towel throwing" is very similar to fouls in the last two minutes of a basketball game in that you concede a high percentage chance for the other team to score 1 or 2 points, with the hope that you can score 3 points on the next trip down the court. And you are assuring yourself more chances at making up that additional point by stopping the play clock with the foul. Not exactly the same, but in a sense the same principle.

I just think too many people are too quick to jump on something that has the potential to take this sport somewhere. Some of you are correct in saying that the "TV People" could take any 100 players and make them the superstars. But, two points -
1. why would they, when a nice package is already available
2. No matter who it is in the uniforms, the TV people are absolutely looking to start their coverage off with an exclusive group of people who are "called" the best. Right now, the NXL is that.

Too many people also look selfishly at the fact that they are not included, so what's the point of getting behind it. If you play paintball at all, and if you play tournament paintball especially, you are absolutely included. If the NXL only half way succeeds in what is being considered now with TV, every single person in paintball will benefit from it. All players, all stores, all teams, all tournament series. It is short sighted and remarkably selfish of anyone who doesn't recognize that.

One last thing - there are exactly 3 players in the NXL who have individual contracts that obligate them to playing NXL games. Each is most definitely being compensated. Every other NXL player can go and play wherever he wants. His simply can't come back to play in the NXL. There is a choice. Those who are playing NXL are choosing to play NXL as opposed to playing other series. Why they are choosing may vary from player to player, but the fact remains that almost everyone of them is indeed CHOOSING to play in the NXL, with full knowledge of what their opportunities are in any other series.

No more from me. I am sure some of you will have a go at this. That's OK. This is the way I see it.
 

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Bwillie

I understand your point of view.

But what I wanna ask you is this. Why not let the NXL players play the millennium and NPPL and still be part of the NXL?

Then when you get a deal with TV close the ranks and have the conditions you use today.

I really want to see all thoose teams here in Europe again!
And when all is done with the tv deal we can watch them on tv.

Magued
 

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I gotta be quick so let me say a couple of things...

Rocky, good to see you on the board bro and congratulations on ya'lls first Pro victory! I hear you were impressive!!! Good thing you didn't have to play against me 'cause you remember, I'm sure, how I ruled you and your boys in our lil' practice at your place back when.
:p

A'ight second of all, the NXL IS cool but at the moment it's suffering from "chicken with its head cut off" syndrome. There's a rush of ecstasy early on but with so few teams there are a couple that quickly distance themselves from the rest of the pack and then there's not much else going for the rest of everyone left behind. Besides, what are they playing for? It's not the same thing as American Football where even your worst teams have thousands of people cheering them on, plus the financial security and such. NXL is still too young. It is a mistake for them to disallow their players from playing other venues. It's a suicidal ideation and if it continues you will see players leave and when TV venues look into it they'll balk under the realization that NXL is not "where it's at."

All of that being said, I would LOVE to get in on some X-ball games, but I would turn down a full sponsorship to play X-ball right at this moment because it's still not worth it for me not to be able to do what I enjoy most about Paintball, which is play competitively where there's competition to be played.

One last thought, too...keep in mind that NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA players, etc., have NO WHERE ELSE TO PLAY. The exception may be the NFL Europe, but that's handled through NFL USA. So, for them, the epitome of great competition and full enjoyment of the game they love is where they're at. Until that time comes for the NXL, let the players play where they will. If the NXL is where it's at, they'll stay there regardless.

Love to all,
~J~
 

Rocky Knuth

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Justin,

Thanks!! You should come down again! I seem to recall shooting you in the face :)..

Whats going on with you? Havent seen you at any of the events. I seen James G. playing with AA's........


Back on the subject....

It would definantly be nice to have the NXL players back, we (dogs) really looked foward to playing some of those teams.

I have only played the X-ball format twice(2 matches at Disney)
But as of right now is like a "new girlfriend" I really look foward to playing it again. I do think that if thats the ONLY format you get to play it could get boring. Maybe if they changed up the fields more?? I dont know? I just hope more teams sign up as of right now there is only 4 teams.

Thanks,
Rocky
 

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Originally posted by BWillie
I do not think a single NXL GAME has been won or lost with the throwing in of a towel (or more properly, hitting the buzzer to stop the clock). Points have been conceded, but not games.

X-Ball is one game made up of multiple flag hangs, which are simply points. To say that the playing of points gets monotenous, is possibly justified, but in what sport is it not.

In American Football, the Baltimore Ravens won a Super Bowl by employeeing a no thrills, no spils offense, and a smothering defense. And then the Rams won with an very easy defense, and a high flying offense. X-Ball has the same possibilities. Some teams will learn to win with a less than spectacular offense, while never making mistakes, and others will learn to go full force and let the chips fall where they may. For now, most teams are simply experimenting with slight variations.

Pete, I cannot believe that you could possibly take into account what has happened at 2 NXL events as a prelude to what the format has to offer or as a sign of what it will be like in the future. Some of the very people who I am sure you spoke with (SC Ironmen) should recognize first hand that they have a long way to go. After looking very bad at the New Orleans event, they were smoking at the LA event. Same could be said for the NY Xtreme guys, but in recerse.

The format is new. The players are, while being the best the sport has to offer, just now learning how to play a format. Nothing makes it more obvious than statements like "games are ending with towels being thrown in". Players, coaches, and paintball playing spectaturs will have to dome to grips with this game is not over with a flag hang. The people who will not have a problem with that concept are the non-playing spectaturs who will recognize that as quite similar to every other sport out there. Points scored for and against, over a defined period of time, in order to determine an eventual winner. Every time a goal is scored in soccer, or a run crosses the plate in baseball, the game isn't decided.

To me the "towel throwing" is very similar to fouls in the last two minutes of a basketball game in that you concede a high percentage chance for the other team to score 1 or 2 points, with the hope that you can score 3 points on the next trip down the court. And you are assuring yourself more chances at making up that additional point by stopping the play clock with the foul. Not exactly the same, but in a sense the same principle.

I just think too many people are too quick to jump on something that has the potential to take this sport somewhere. Some of you are correct in saying that the "TV People" could take any 100 players and make them the superstars. But, two points -
1. why would they, when a nice package is already available
2. No matter who it is in the uniforms, the TV people are absolutely looking to start their coverage off with an exclusive group of people who are "called" the best. Right now, the NXL is that.

Too many people also look selfishly at the fact that they are not included, so what's the point of getting behind it. If you play paintball at all, and if you play tournament paintball especially, you are absolutely included. If the NXL only half way succeeds in what is being considered now with TV, every single person in paintball will benefit from it. All players, all stores, all teams, all tournament series. It is short sighted and remarkably selfish of anyone who doesn't recognize that.

One last thing - there are exactly 3 players in the NXL who have individual contracts that obligate them to playing NXL games. Each is most definitely being compensated. Every other NXL player can go and play wherever he wants. His simply can't come back to play in the NXL. There is a choice. Those who are playing NXL are choosing to play NXL as opposed to playing other series. Why they are choosing may vary from player to player, but the fact remains that almost everyone of them is indeed CHOOSING to play in the NXL, with full knowledge of what their opportunities are in any other series.

No more from me. I am sure some of you will have a go at this. That's OK. This is the way I see it.

BWillie, well you kinda know who I spoke to and as you also know I haven't been to any of the NXL's myself and I can only go on what these guys tell me......
In reality BW, the NXL should allow all it's players who are not under contract to play whenever and wherever they like, you know that, the players know that, the NXL knows that.....
To say they can go and play anywhere but they can't come back is childish....especially when you probaly also know that two of the biggest hitters in the PSP are gearing up to attend Chi Town NPPL anyway and were a gnat's dick away from being at the Vegas NPPL (industry figures, not players or teams).
Just my opinion you understand :)
Laters BW
 

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PMI bought us (Evil Factory Team) an X-ball Franchise this year. We turned it down for one simple reason......Why give up your freedom just because someone has a dream???? I have already played in 6 tournaments this year and have had a great time doing it. X-ballers have played in 2. If you really think about it, not playing in X-ball this year was really the right decision for us, Dogs, Dynasty and any other "high profile" teams. The reasons this is true are these:

1. If X-ball did take off then the NXL would just pick us up as X-ball teams in 2004.
2. If X-ball didn't take off (like it appears not to be) then we still own our team names and we get to travel around the world playing in ALL the tournaments. Then in 2004 it goes back to normal and we start playing Aftershock, SC and all the others again because X-ball won't exist anymore.

It would be great if X-ball would work out and we would see it on TV. But I just don't see it happening.

I think it would be better if they would change the field designs every day instead of once per tournament. At least that way there is some variety to the games. So instead of watching the same breakout for 5 days in a row you get a little something different.

Just my 2 cents.

Lynch
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>>>> Justin, Thanks!! You should come down again! I seem to recall shooting you in the face ..<<<<

LOL. WHICH TIME???
I would love to come up there again and play, you guys rock. I learned a lot too, which is always big with me.

>>>> Whats going on with you? Havent seen you at any of the events.<<<<

Med school, for the first part of this year at least, has not been compatible with competition Paintball, much to my shagrin. I'm HOPING (keeping my fingers crossed) that once my rounds are set in July I'll have the freedom to get back into it.
I am getting to play a lot, keeping my hand in and my techniques up to par, but I miss the tournaments so much it simply hurts to read about them and wish I'd been there. Ahh well...

Back to the subject indeed.
I think it's difficult for teams to know what to expect. It is a dream but NXL will have to be a big step up before it will hold the demand and appeal that other professional sports have. Right now, I see potential but there's no question it's just not there in terms of where the dream sees it being. NXL players are not really being "rewarded," they're not getting the press that the other venues are getting, they're not getting anything for their sacrifice, and from what I can gather they're not having as much fun. What they are, is alienated. No one enjoys that. For something like the NXL to work, players will need to enjoy benefits and privelages that go way above and beyond what they might be missing out on by playing there.

I'd really, really like to play an X-ball match...for one just 'cause I want to play but also 'cause I'd like to have a good look at the format from a player's point of view and size up in my own mind where it's missing the mark. I really think it has potential, but only if the possibility for that potential is there.

Best of luck to you guys, Rocky! I'm really happy for ya' 'cause I know you've worked hard for a long time, and it's nice to see you reaping the rewards of the dedication.

Take care,
~J~
 

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Just a view from the bottom. The reason my team and I do not really give a hoot whether X-Ball succeeds is because we aren't playing it. It's not really offered at our level of play and the cost of using that much paint is really prohibitive for the majority of us. While we read the scores and keep track of who's doing what, all we really want is for the top teams to come back and play the other top teams in the seven man series that seems to be working out rather well and still maintains traditional paintball roots. We don't see that paintball has to be packaged in a way that puts it out of reach of the average joe in order for it to be successful. We love football. We can play the exact same game the pros do with our friends and feel like we have something in common with our heroes of the gridiron. We can't do that with X-ball, but can with the seven mans. Therefore, we watch and support the seven mans and pay close attention to what's going on and who's doing well. We just feel that X-Ball is sacrificing what we know and love in a hurry to get paintball on TV and we don't think it's worth it. Our message to the top teams out there is to come and play the sevens; we miss you guys.
 

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Hey Blue, this ain't about doing what's right for any existing paintballing format, this is a top down approach to marketing a new sport and then the hoards can all fall into line, as we will do, after they have successfully driven X-Ball onto the TV screens.

You have to remember the dynamics here and they can best be described by the three M's of business... Money, money and money.
Sacrificial lambs come fast and furious when unprecedented amounts of greenbacks flutter on the horizon...:)

I mean, just look at what has happened to X-Ball in Europe if you need any more any examples of money fuelling, decision making processes :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by goose
Actually I am looking at it from a marketing point of view.

If I am trying to sell a product
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Sorry to beat a dead horse but:

Goose: I think you're looking at X-ball from the viewpoint of an informed and intelligent TV audience...maybe I need to remind you of what happend with the Baywatch series when they decided to assume that their audience was more intelligent...they improved story lines and decreased cleavage coverage and DECREASED their market share... I believe someone said something along the lines of "No-one had ever lost money dumbing down to their audience". You many not like that, but that doesn't mean that it's not true. Just as the X-ball team players aren't happy about their contracts, yet they signed them.
Also, Goose, I think you lost sight of what drives alot of tourney players. Sure they ALL have a strong drive to win, but for most of the guys I know, they value "clicking" with a group of guys that they like. It's like being in an extended tribe, or an extended family. Many of the guys join a team because of whom they know there more than anything else. I don't think you can challenge the statement that "most pro players end up on a pro team because they know someone there". It's not like there are talent agents in the world of paintball who market their clients to the different teams...everyone knows someone, and the world is a very closed and incestuous one. The reason I bring this up, is that many of the guys in X-ball actually feel some loyalty to the guys on their team and they love playing with the guys that they trust and know. Yes, people do switch teams willy-nilly sometimes (Marcus?) and sometimes for good reasons, but by and large, I tend to believe that most pro players have loyalty to the guys on their teams. For you to say that if they don't like X-ball, they should just turn their backs on their mates is...well, very callous, and cold. I do feel pity for some of my old teammates when I see them hanging out at a tournament, with that sad look on their face as they watch us play...and yes, I do rub it in by asking them to throw on a jersey, but as Robbo and others pointed out, they're very unhappy at not being able to play anything except X-ball.
I guess in summary I'm saying that TV doesn't care about who's on the X-ball field, they care if the TV audience will watch X-ball and if the X-ball organizers aren't careful, the current NXL crew will defect and then I'll finally get a chance to get my mug on TV again :)
I just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

Ray "Is this my good side?" N.
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PS "CockerTown": Who are you? The words you use are too big to be from Tom so I'm guessing JP...