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[Baca Loco]

For what it's worth

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
- Having not been there - and they MAY play differently when in the States.

I USED to not like Dynasty a whole lot - the first couple of years they seemed to be one of the dirtiest teams out there, constantly doing dirty runs and capitalising from poor reffing.

BUT, having seen them at all the Millennium events this year, I think they have cleaned up to a degree where very few teams are cleaner (like Russian Legion clean)

..... I even think I have only heard Ollie use the word F*CK an average of 3 times per game this year, which is something like 10 % of what it used to be

Maybe part of it is, that they have gotten SO good, that they can win in style, even when playing clean ?

But, bottom line is, that from what I have seen this year, Dynasty is one on the cleanest teams playing the Millennium cirquit, which says a lot, as cheating is nominally lower here than at US events.

I have the utmost respect for them, and will happily side with Pete in calling them the best team in the world at the moment.... and a bunch of damn nice guys as well (obviously reserving my right to change my oppinion, when details become available on the Sweden incident) !

Now, how is THAT for an elegant thread jack Baca ?



Nick

If any of the issues were a matter of character references your post might, I repeat, might have some validity, but--it isn't and doesn't.
You might also note on that particular point I didn't disagree with Pete but his generalization is also irrelevant.
Finally, I don't consider it a thread-jack so much as an effort to curry favor with Old Chrome Dome.

 

[Robbo]

Ouch !

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Hey Pete - Nexus SUCK !

Nick

At long last, incontrovertible proof....Nick doesn't know what the hell he's talkin about

 

[Red_Merkin]

Dynasty do win with style, but like most pro teams, (and a lot of lower division teams) if the pressure is on, they will push the judging to the limit.
We know this, because we saw them do it in Portugal! They needed a win, and they got the points, by playing on big time, in several different games. They are still prepared to cross the line if they need to.

I guess the difference now, is the boys are so good that they can win big and win clean.
The difference between them and the Russian Legion, is that the Legion will not take the opportunity to cheat. (I'm not saying that they've never cheated, but i've seen them play dozens of times, and never seen them cheat).

I wouldn't place them in the same level of Cleanness as the Russians!

 

[knobbs]

Controversial Quarters

Originally posted by Baca Loco
1--that was the second Rage player. The one at issue is the first one who came out of the laydown on Dynasty's side of the field.
But really I'm not arguing in favor of one call over another. What I am arguing for is a transparent process. In PB the standard is when the heat is on, ignore it, curse at it or deny it. Should PB ever be a real, bigtime sport the sports media won't be playing' kissy face with the big boys. Might as well start gettin' used to it now.
2--your opinion is irrelevant cos in captain's meetings for the NPPL this year, with refs in attendance, this issue has been addressed.
3--No, what happened happened because the top Ams and Pros haven't had the rules applied to them with the same strictness as everyone else. And until the refs start pulling Pros for cursing or refusing to leave the field immediately, or arguing calls everybody watching will have reason to suspect the process. And that's unfortunate cus I've seen firsthand that the NPPL is working to provide the best events they can but to one degree or another they are saddled with the history of past events.
4--no, it's an opportunity. For the refs it's an opportunity to call a clean game to the best of their ability regardless and for the promoters it's an opportunity to not only claim to be different but to actually be different. Controversial call? Mixed opinions? Get out in front of the issue and explain the circumstances and how the outcome was determined. Will some still disagree? and will some remain cynical? Sure, but others will accept and appreciate the accountability and it will change the standard pattern that PB has followed in the past. Ignore, curse, deny.

1--Well, if it was the first one that was in question, it sure wasn't on the field. The Rage guys and the Rage spectators started screaming only at the second guy. If they then started saying it was the first guy, they had a change of tune after the match was over. In fact after the match, I talked to one of the refs on the field (after Matty said they were going to replay it) and he said "No, they aren't going to replay it. That guy in the dorito was hit on his way and we had no question about it." That signals to me that this was, in fact, the guy in question.
2--Thanks Baca. Glad to know I have no reason to think on my own anymore. I said what I said because it was what I thought...you didn't have to go all Chris Raehl about it.
3--Do you seriously think if any other team was out there that there would be this much stir about it? The reason we're talking about this now is that it was Dynasty. They are the big boys, and they are also very closely tied to the NPPL. People aren't sayign the reffing is bad or biased because one team lost to another with controviersial calls, they are saying it because one team lost to DYNASTY with controversial calls. While what you say is true, I really don't think that's the question here. If it were, we'd all have been discussing the Dogs/Ton Tons game just as much, yet it only rated a few posts.
4--Which is what they did, and you see where it's gotten them? To alot of people those refs are now biased and the NPPL is meddling in the results, and it's all because the refs called the game as it should've been.

 

[duffistuta]

>If it were, we'd all have been discussing the Dogs/Ton Tons game just as much, yet it only rated a few posts.<

Boom! Knobbs drops the bomb.

 

[Robbo]

Baca Boom !!!!!!

 

[Baca Loco]

Re: Controversial Quarters

Originally posted by knobbs
1--Well, if it was the first one that was in question, it sure wasn't on the field. The Rage guys and the Rage spectators started screaming only at the second guy. If they then started saying it was the first guy, they had a change of tune after the match was over. In fact after the match, I talked to one of the refs on the field (after Matty said they were going to replay it) and he said "No, they aren't going to replay it. That guy in the dorito was hit on his way and we had no question about it." That signals to me that this was, in fact, the guy in question.
2--Thanks Baca. Glad to know I have no reason to think on my own anymore. I said what I said because it was what I thought...you didn't have to go all Chris Raehl about it.
3--Do you seriously think if any other team was out there that there would be this much stir about it? The reason we're talking about this now is that it was Dynasty. They are the big boys, and they are also very closely tied to the NPPL. People aren't sayign the reffing is bad or biased because one team lost to another with controviersial calls, they are saying it because one team lost to DYNASTY with controversial calls. While what you say is true, I really don't think that's the question here. If it were, we'd all have been discussing the Dogs/Ton Tons game just as much, yet it only rated a few posts.
4--Which is what they did, and you see where it's gotten them? To alot of people those refs are now biased and the NPPL is meddling in the results, and it's all because the refs called the game as it should've been.

1--as to the "facts" at dispute I'm simply raising the issues that are appearing. I'm not offering an opinion one way or the other cos I don't know. I am saying lots of folks besides the Rage crowd didn't "see" it the way it was called, rightly or wrongly, and with a very high profile controversy letting it fester ain't helping.
2--I'm happy to think for ya but what I was getting wasn't that you ain't entitled to your opinion but when your opinion is at odds with a clear directive then you may disagree with it but can't fault its implementation. Or make excuses when it isn't called. (Sorry 'bout that raehl-esque bluntness, it was late. )
3--not at all but do you seriously think that in the great northwest the Dogs controversy won't be ringin' for weeks up there? Or that similar situations haven't arisen with "no name" teams at times as well and that they don't go home and poison the well? To an extent there's nothing the NPPL can do about that but they've gone to substantial lengths to hang their marketing strategy around Dynasty's necks and as the highest profile team involved in the NPPL such scrutiny is a no-brainer. Kind'a like the pro athlete as a role-model thing that comes up periodically. Like it or not, fair or not--it's a fact.
4--no they didn't. I've seen no statements from the NPPL addressing the game and how the outcome was determined. What they had was an on field cock-up they spent awhile trying to figure out. Finally came to a conclusion and announced the result. The people who were there are unlikely to be convinced the final decision was correct if they think they saw something different than what was called but the vast majority of the post event hullabaloo could have been minimized by immediately sending out PR notices with an official explanation of what happened and how and why it was handled the way it was.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by duffistuta
>If it were, we'd all have been discussing the Dogs/Ton Tons game just as much, yet it only rated a few posts.<

Boom! Knobbs drops the bomb.

If that was a bomb it was a dud.

btw, Pete I notice you got out while the gettin' was good.

 

[Robbo]

Paul, I have never to my knowledge backed out of any thread I have gotten involved in for reasons you are implying.

I back out because I either get bored explaining the obvious or because I believe the person I am engaging with, is not really that interested in getting to the truth.......

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
Paul, I have never to my knowledge backed out of any thread I have gotten involved in for reasons you are implying.

I back out because I either get bored explaining the obvious or because I believe the person I am engaging with, is not really that interested in getting to the truth.......

I daresay the focus of the issue at hand is less a matter of truth or Truth but a matter of fact and facts are always open to interpretation. If I read you right you're basically saying the whole brouhaha exists only because of Dynasty's profile and the attendent envy of lesser teams and players (and anyway, Rage got what was comin' to 'em )---
And I'll agree that this one situation has received the level of attention it's received cus it involved Dynasty.
At this point we start moving apart cus you seem to be prepared to dismiss the whole thing on the basis of Dynasty's profile while to me, it matters that much more, because of Dynasty's profile. See what I'm gettin' at?
The NPPL can't prove they're different by getting all rigorous and hardcore on Team Spuds cus nobody but team Spuds is gonna pay any attention. And when you're stuck with a controversy no matter what all I'm advocating is the NPPL get in front of the tide like other sports do.
IF--any of the mags are actually gonna cover the controversy wouldn't it be in the NPPL's interest to have their version out to the public first? Wouldn't a direct, acknowledged explanation of the circumstances diffuse much of the rumor, hearsay and innuendo?
Yet it seems like most everyone is prepared to try and sweep the latest controversy du jour under the proverbial rug like usual and most everyone is missing the larger point in favor of the typical yes they did, no they didn't argument.
Meanwhile let's see what the league does about TonTons v. Naughty Dogs or will the lack of profile be an excuse to let the whole thing slide?