Funny you should say that - I'm trying to get one into PGI towers as we type.
the good Dr might be down some green - who knows
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the good Dr might be down some green - who knows
I will grant you that the Ego is a GOOD intimidator knock off.
Much love to Jack and Flash and the PE guys.
It is a knock off......... no matter what anyone says, maybe the Timmy doesn't have a unique operation, but this marker LOOKS like a Timmy........ they've copied the image if nothing else.... it's a cash in. Or do you reckon they designed it then noticed it looked like a Timmy? Does the cocker need to look like a cocker to work like one? NO....... does the Timmy? NO........so why do they if it's not a copy?
Oh and I've used a system X-cocker. I'd sooner take to the field with one of those pump action ones from Argos.
You get what you pay for.
Oh and I've used a system X-cocker. I'd sooner take to the field with one of those pump action ones from Argos.
You get what you pay for.
I of course was speaking extemporaneously, but I would be very interested to see a non-biased (and that, as far as I'm concerned, would exclude just about every mod here, as most of them are either current Intimidator owners or fans) comparison. My opinion is based on the timmy's I've shot, I really don't understand how anything that gets past the working prototype stage could possibly have a poorer feel and build quality. I'm not being a "hater for the sake of being a hater", I've got my opinion, you've got yours. I find the design of the timmy not nearly worthy of it's price tag and fame for a variety of reasons that aren't relevant to this thread, and that I've already gone into elsewhere. You work designing them, so your opinion will obvioulsy be different. That fact doesn't make your opinion any more or less valid than mine (in fact, I'd say it's alot easier to defend a marker when you work for the company that produces it), it's just our opinions.
So I guess that means the money is off the table?
PS--I don't own now nor have I ever owned a Timmy. But I have reviewed a couple of them at least. Send the Sys X gun to me!
Yeah but you are biased towards... err... well I'm sure you're biased somehow.Originally posted by Baca Loco
So I guess that means the money is off the table?
PS--I don't own now nor have I ever owned a Timmy. But I have reviewed a couple of them at least. Send the Sys X gun to me!
I guess the Good Dr.StrangeLove isn't willing to put his money where his mouth is.
BTW. I NEVER had anything to do wth the basic design of the intimidator, nor with the manufacturing, so I'm not biased to the design or the surface finish/product quality like I am with some of the other products where I am more responsible for it. The majority of the stuff I have done on the timmy is cosmetic designs on the body and grip frame etc.. You are welcome to continue your hate campaign against the basic function and build quality.
Doesn't bother me that much, it's not within my power to change it, and it wasn't my design in the first place. Bob is in full control of his gun... and I'm pretty sure it is outselling anything else at it's level right now, so somewhere he must have got something right.
And if you don't like my part of the product either, honestly, one thing I have learned as a designer is to have thick skin. People love and hate designs, it's the way it is, just as long as I can try and get people that like different things and styles to buy a timmy, then my job is done. It doesn't matter if they buy one of my designs or one of Bobs or Jims, just as long as they buy a timmy.
. So far I know that people who would never have bought one of Bob's designs, have bought one of mine. That's a success and one reason my style is so different to Bob's/Jim's and previous guns. It's supposed to be. Heck I'm not always sure about some of my stuff, but I try and design to what people tell me they want and would appeal to them.
I'm used to the haters in paintball. There's a lot of them. It's all good just as long as people continue to be passionate about the sport they love. I know I still am.
If anyone in the media reports on products with an unbiased view it's the PGI guys. They are far more genuine than most.
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I'm just waiting for System-X to have a go at a Nerve or Shocker.
That should be interesting. What would SP do about a blatant rip-off? Send out the flying monkeys? complete work on their time machine and destroy the grandparents of the system-X design team? (which is I believe a 14 year old boy with internet access and a photocopier). Buying system-X is like buying £15 CK jeans from a market.......... you just know you'll be left with your bollocks dangling in the air the first time you really need the cover.
That should be interesting. What would SP do about a blatant rip-off? Send out the flying monkeys? complete work on their time machine and destroy the grandparents of the system-X design team? (which is I believe a 14 year old boy with internet access and a photocopier). Buying system-X is like buying £15 CK jeans from a market.......... you just know you'll be left with your bollocks dangling in the air the first time you really need the cover.
I know this thread is aging a bit but thought I’d add to it anyway.
I have one of these, pic below, and so here is my straight forward view on it. I’m not going to compare it to anything, I’m just going to comment on the gat as I see it.
1) OUT THE BOX: My first impression of the anno and milling was that it looked fantastic. Milling is every bit as good as the milling I’ve see on other high end markers and the fade anno is very smooth. The polish is outstanding and there was not a single blemish on the marker as it came out the box. The in-line reg design is great, it has a swivel fitting so you can move it to suite you play. And that trigger guard, it is huge, the biggest of big fingers will fit in there no probs. So first impression here would have to be a 10/10.
2) STANDARD FITTINGS: It is great to be able to take a gat out the box, add air and hopper and shoot. That’s what this delivered. No need to add anything, tweak anything or faf about in any way. It comes standard with B/L & rail, steel hose, in-line reg, LPR, clamping feedneck. It also come standard with a new generation WAS board. More on this later but it chrono’d at 260 right out the box. So, for an out the box standard setup I’d have to again give it a 10/10.
3) FISRT USE: Well, I took it down to the site but sadly only had some old paint (I mean real old) that had been opened for some time. It didn’t break a whole lot but more than I would have liked. So, I gave it to one of the guys from Creampie Cartel who normally uses a Timmi, he shot off a couple of hoppers of their paint with no breaks, so maybe my old paint was to blame. Speed and accuray is again every bit as good as any other high end marker. Because of the paint story, I reckon it only gets a 7 maybe 8/10 here. Probably unfair but there you go.
4) FIRST TOURNEY: Now in the hands of a Div 1 player I was about to see what this baby was made of. Setup, Pure Energy pre-set and a standard Halo B, mixture of all types of paint. Trust me when I say this, compared to the other markers on the field, Timmi’s, shockers etc. speed is not an issue with this gat. It mows big time. The dude in the vid is what’s making it look slow, in the right hands it does some serious ripping. Paint breakage, well a couple, but certainly no worse than anything else on the field that day, if anything better than most I would say. Being new, quite a few players had a play with it. No negative comments. Also, almost everyone tried to make it trigger bounce, the WAS electronics are pretty good. With DB on 15 (out of 50) there is no sign of bounce especially with paint. How to rate it since it wasn’t me using it. It has to get at least an 8 but my gut feel is it deserves a 9/10.
5) GAS EFFIENCY: You cannot knock it here. A full 4,500 bottle lasts for ages. Even after a hopper a 4 pots the bottle (1.1ltr) had over 3K, close to 3.5K. So I don’t have a hard measure here, so let’s just say it is excellent in this dept.
6) GENERAL: Setting it up over the chrono was a very simple exercise. First, I set the in-line, almost like sweet spotting a cocker. Increased the pressure until the velocity started dropping off again and then started lowering the pressure again. This gave a velocity av of 270. The LPR was set a 50psi, so gradual increases moved velocity up to 290/295. LPR is now at 70psi. The markers performs well with this setup; Kick, minimal, as low as competitive markers; Barrel, 2 piece SX .689, can’t fault it for a stock barrel; bolt/eyes/detents, all easy to remove clean and replace. Eye is break beam and it has dual ball detents; In-line reg and LPR seem to perform very well, don’t see a need to change them but hey, someone will want to do it; It also has an adjustable RAM positioning RAM-CAP, I haven’t had to use it but it’s there; Size wise, not much in it when compared to a Timmi. The huge trigger guard is what makes it look big but it’s what you would expect of a high-end marker.
Overall, bang-for-buck, IMHO, you’d have to try hard to beat it. Although it bears a resemblance to a Timmi, none of the parts are interchangeable, the bolt for example is shorter than a Timmi and I understand the RAM has a shorter stroke than the Timmi. The trigger may look similar, but is not the same as an e-blade for those who thought it might be, and again, it’s not interchangeable with anything from planet (best I can tell).I guess it’s a bit like the PIMP/Impluse thing, looks similar but a PIMP is not an Impulse and an NME is not a Timmi.
What can I say guys, System X may have had a chequered past and did have a rep for producing cheap knock-off cockers. I’ve owned a few of their cockers and can’t say I agree with some of the comments about them, but that’s another topic. When it comes to the NME, it looks to me like System X got it right and have produced a pretty solid marker. Their teaming up with WAS to design and build it seems to have paid off. I think that anyone wanting to bash it needs really to try it first.
I’m at London Indoor most Monday nights, and at quite a few tourneys in the South, if anybody wants to have a rip PM me and we can make a plan for you to try it, and then post your opinion.
I have one of these, pic below, and so here is my straight forward view on it. I’m not going to compare it to anything, I’m just going to comment on the gat as I see it.
1) OUT THE BOX: My first impression of the anno and milling was that it looked fantastic. Milling is every bit as good as the milling I’ve see on other high end markers and the fade anno is very smooth. The polish is outstanding and there was not a single blemish on the marker as it came out the box. The in-line reg design is great, it has a swivel fitting so you can move it to suite you play. And that trigger guard, it is huge, the biggest of big fingers will fit in there no probs. So first impression here would have to be a 10/10.
2) STANDARD FITTINGS: It is great to be able to take a gat out the box, add air and hopper and shoot. That’s what this delivered. No need to add anything, tweak anything or faf about in any way. It comes standard with B/L & rail, steel hose, in-line reg, LPR, clamping feedneck. It also come standard with a new generation WAS board. More on this later but it chrono’d at 260 right out the box. So, for an out the box standard setup I’d have to again give it a 10/10.
3) FISRT USE: Well, I took it down to the site but sadly only had some old paint (I mean real old) that had been opened for some time. It didn’t break a whole lot but more than I would have liked. So, I gave it to one of the guys from Creampie Cartel who normally uses a Timmi, he shot off a couple of hoppers of their paint with no breaks, so maybe my old paint was to blame. Speed and accuray is again every bit as good as any other high end marker. Because of the paint story, I reckon it only gets a 7 maybe 8/10 here. Probably unfair but there you go.
4) FIRST TOURNEY: Now in the hands of a Div 1 player I was about to see what this baby was made of. Setup, Pure Energy pre-set and a standard Halo B, mixture of all types of paint. Trust me when I say this, compared to the other markers on the field, Timmi’s, shockers etc. speed is not an issue with this gat. It mows big time. The dude in the vid is what’s making it look slow, in the right hands it does some serious ripping. Paint breakage, well a couple, but certainly no worse than anything else on the field that day, if anything better than most I would say. Being new, quite a few players had a play with it. No negative comments. Also, almost everyone tried to make it trigger bounce, the WAS electronics are pretty good. With DB on 15 (out of 50) there is no sign of bounce especially with paint. How to rate it since it wasn’t me using it. It has to get at least an 8 but my gut feel is it deserves a 9/10.
5) GAS EFFIENCY: You cannot knock it here. A full 4,500 bottle lasts for ages. Even after a hopper a 4 pots the bottle (1.1ltr) had over 3K, close to 3.5K. So I don’t have a hard measure here, so let’s just say it is excellent in this dept.
6) GENERAL: Setting it up over the chrono was a very simple exercise. First, I set the in-line, almost like sweet spotting a cocker. Increased the pressure until the velocity started dropping off again and then started lowering the pressure again. This gave a velocity av of 270. The LPR was set a 50psi, so gradual increases moved velocity up to 290/295. LPR is now at 70psi. The markers performs well with this setup; Kick, minimal, as low as competitive markers; Barrel, 2 piece SX .689, can’t fault it for a stock barrel; bolt/eyes/detents, all easy to remove clean and replace. Eye is break beam and it has dual ball detents; In-line reg and LPR seem to perform very well, don’t see a need to change them but hey, someone will want to do it; It also has an adjustable RAM positioning RAM-CAP, I haven’t had to use it but it’s there; Size wise, not much in it when compared to a Timmi. The huge trigger guard is what makes it look big but it’s what you would expect of a high-end marker.
Overall, bang-for-buck, IMHO, you’d have to try hard to beat it. Although it bears a resemblance to a Timmi, none of the parts are interchangeable, the bolt for example is shorter than a Timmi and I understand the RAM has a shorter stroke than the Timmi. The trigger may look similar, but is not the same as an e-blade for those who thought it might be, and again, it’s not interchangeable with anything from planet (best I can tell).I guess it’s a bit like the PIMP/Impluse thing, looks similar but a PIMP is not an Impulse and an NME is not a Timmi.
What can I say guys, System X may have had a chequered past and did have a rep for producing cheap knock-off cockers. I’ve owned a few of their cockers and can’t say I agree with some of the comments about them, but that’s another topic. When it comes to the NME, it looks to me like System X got it right and have produced a pretty solid marker. Their teaming up with WAS to design and build it seems to have paid off. I think that anyone wanting to bash it needs really to try it first.
I’m at London Indoor most Monday nights, and at quite a few tourneys in the South, if anybody wants to have a rip PM me and we can make a plan for you to try it, and then post your opinion.