New ramp limit !

[Tom Allen]

I think 15 is fine because thats what i'm used to, i wouldn't even mind a cap of 10bps, but that would defeat the objective of having highly tuned markers which can cycle effeciently at a fast rate. So we might as well all get our old pumps and mechs out. Life generally is speeding up, although for many of us (including me now) we think things have to slow down!

Without the need for massive rates of fire, marker manufacturers could concentrate their efforts to improve other facets of marker design.

 

[Russell Smith]

Russell, I believe if this poll had been posted prior to you guys adopting 15 bps, we would have had a different response to the one we are seeing now, the question that should now be asked is, 'why'? .....

Pete,
Before the ramp rule was introduced the majority of paintballers claimed to shoot at a faster rate anyhow, it was only with the introduction of the ramp and cap players found themselves shooting quicker.
I am sure I asked the question on this very forum what players thought they shot at to gain some research.
In fact http://www.p8ntballer-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=40024
As to why am I asking this know, simple because of the way the MS has “revised” the rule it could allow cheats to return when the rule was designed to stop that happening.
If the MS want to slow down the rate of fire to improve the game, fine I have no problem with that as long as it is done by everyone, they could even reduce the cap themselves but to change the rate of when ramp kicks in will mean the cheats will return.
And very few will ever get caught.

Russ

 

[Robbo]

What do you think: do we reduce the rate of fire cap (worldwide) or leave as is?
If the consensus of opinions is a cap reduction I will get in touch with the people can make the change with me and get it done.


Russ
UK-Refs

Russell, whilst the sentiment of your post may sound reasonable, and just for my own peace of mind, how do you propose to go 'worldwide' with this, do you have power over the world's other leagues?


If you think that a poll on here, or you are gonna influence other leagues not only within Europe or even in the UK or for that matter the US, then you are very much mistaken.
We (domestic leagues) do not set agendas or directions in worldwide paintball other than the ones we have direct control over and as I see it, if you wanan go 15 or 12 with the PA, then good luck to ya mate but if you feel that's gonna carry any weight with anybody else, then you are much mistaken.
Whether you like it or not, the Millennium carries a lot more weight in terms of influence than a UK based league, and this is because the Millennium is bigger, more extended and has people running it who have a greater influence and standing in the sport.

If you are gonna try and change anything at all, then your first port of call should be to try and work with the Millennium instead of attacking them otherwise you are just pissing in the wind.

Sometimes the Millennium guys act like dicks, and I mean real dicks, and the way they have treated some of their customers of late is reprehensible but this doesn't mean you ignore them.
You guys on the PA had a great idea, you also run pretty good tourneys but you have never managed to understand the politics of paintball and that sometimes torturous route you need to tread to get things done ........ In Paintball, it's all about working with people..some you like, some you don't.

 

[Robbo]

Pete,
Before the ramp rule was introduced the majority of paintballers claimed to shoot at a faster rate anyhow, it was only with the introduction of the ramp and cap players found themselves shooting quicker.
I am sure I asked the question on this very forum what players thought they shot at to gain some research.
In fact http://www.p8ntballer-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=40024
As to why am I asking this know, simple because of the way the MS has “revised” the rule it could allow cheats to return when the rule was designed to stop that happening.
If the MS want to slow down the rate of fire to improve the game, fine I have no problem with that as long as it is done by everyone, they could even reduce the cap themselves but to change the rate of when ramp kicks in will mean the cheats will return.
And very few will ever get caught.

Russ

Russ - a unilateral stance that sets you apart from the Millennium is gonna get nowhere mate.
Try to work with them...try to educate them..I know it sometimes feels like banging your head against a brick wall but it's the best way to go.

And one little tip....do it on here, challenge them in this forum.

 

[onasilverbike]

Nobody has mentioned that this will make existing guns obsolete overnight, or at least those without ‘custom boards’. I.E. if it comes off the shelf with fixed modes then it will need new circuitry or programming to bring it in to line with new regulations!

IMHO 15bps is fine, what would be more appropriate is standardising the mode of fire between all the leagues and series.

 

[TheRenton]

Without the need for massive rates of fire, marker manufacturers could concentrate their efforts to improve other facets of marker design.

I agree, but as someone just pointed out, that flash expensive marker whoever just bought would then be obselete

 

[Robin Hood]

Nobody has mentioned that this will make existing guns obsolete overnight

I wouldn't go quite that far. Even if we could only shoot 10bps in tourneys I would rather use a modern gat that is smaller, lighter, more reliable, consistent, customisable, softer on paint, efficient and not forgetting a whole lot sexier and bling than a 5 year old model.

 

[onasilverbike]

I wouldn't go quite that far. Even if we could only shoot 10bps in tourneys I would rather use a modern gat that is smaller, lighter, more reliable, consistent, customisable, softer on paint, efficient and not forgetting a whole lot sexier and bling than a 5 year old model.

Quite agree, but, if new rules were introduced for 2008 say, then many 2007 gats would be unusable without a rework, that was the point I was trying to make.

We are now in the 2007 equipment season and there are lots of peeps using ’05 gear still.

 

[Robin Hood]

Quite agree, but, if new rules were introduced for 2008 say, then many 2007 gats would be unusable without a rework

Why would they need a rework? Surely you could just change the MROF to 10 or 12? Provided the mechanism for the ramp to kick in doesn't change (much) then your sorted.

A few gats now have fully customizable boards anyway where the user can fully define all ramp parameters. The A1, the blackheart boards etc.

 

[Lovetone]

Why would they need a rework? Surely you could just change the MROF to 10 or 12? Provided the mechanism for the ramp to kick in doesn't change (much) then your sorted.

A few gats now have fully customizable boards anyway where the user can fully define all ramp parameters. The A1, the blackheart boards etc.

yeah the main players all have customisable ramp modes these days
planet do on the maniac and new 07 boards...and as stated SP and WDP have sorted this too. cant speak for dye.