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Calling Steve Davidson. Steve Davidson to the courtesy desk.

This is a modified--slightly--variation of the USPL concept originally devised by Davidson some years ago (and played at least once.) The only substantial difference is the idea of one flag being moved at a time, ie: offense and defense. Original concept featured two flags so each team was on offense and defense simultaneously.

Early on Xball was considered by some to be little more than a stripped down version of the USPL concept.

I always thought Steve's idea had merit and tried to talk my team at that time into going to play the introductory event in, if I'm remembering correctly, La Porte, Indiana at a fairgrounds there.

Not a bad idea at all, TmBwm740, but not new either.
 

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Originally posted by dr.strangelove
I like the offense/defense idea, but the fields you propose are too large for 5 man, and player regeneration would suck. You'd be better off making it 7 or 10 man teams and forgetting about the regeneration. I also like the "end zone" idea as opposed to start boxes. It's been proposed before, and something about it has always appealed to me. The time format seems maybe a bit long. The visible paintballs don't seem like that great an idea to me. It would be too distracting. You can see paintballs fly through the air fairly well without making them like tracer rounds. And a 12 bps cap is far too low, unless your proposed league allows full auto/ramping, in which case it would be easier just to use the already standing 15 bps NXL rule.

That might be an interesting format to try out, but doesn't really seem any more or less spectator friendly than Xball or traditional 7 man. Once you put fast paced speedball in front of spectators who haven't seen it before, I don't think miniscule rule changes or game details will really enhance or detract from their enjoyment or dislike of the game.
Well 12 bps is to make it slower paced. Actually this seems like a pretty big rule change to me.
 

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Originally posted by Tony - Stupid Troopers
one major flaw i see is if you're 'defending' and it's starts going bad, whats to stop you taking yourself out the game thus stopping the offense scoring? if it's 5 on 1 you're about to concede a point, shoot yourself, no more defense on the field, offense can't get a point, restarts 5 on 5.... hardly seems fair.
You wouldn't be playing anymore in that game if you shot yourself.
 

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Originally posted by garycarrot
Whats to stop me just sitting there waiting for a regeneration player to come back on and take him out again, before he gets five feet from the box??

Seems to me you are trying to "change" something that doesnt need it.

X Ball for the pro's, and standard 7/10 man for the am's.
The regeneration is just so one team can't take the other in five seconds. X-Ball is so fast that before you know what's going on.......It's over.
 

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Originally posted by fordanaldino
i think outside spectators may complain about how there is "nothing to follow" but watching xball i think this is a strength that this sport has. its different.

i only really see this happening on an xball field but i do like the idea, because you would then have something to follow.

i think richmond should try the offense/defense format out instead of centre flag. like an exhibition match.

may be better?
I don't want to try to get the NXL or NPPL to do this for two reasons:
1. This may sound greedy, but if they did try this, and it worked, I wouldn't get any credit or profit. I'm not saying I don't care about paintball. That's why I thought this up. But I'd still like to make money off it if it worked. I also want to be in charge of the league.

2. I think NXL and NPPL have too much pride to ever consider even listening to some guy with an idea for a format.
 

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Calling Steve Davidson. Steve Davidson to the courtesy desk.

Originally posted by Baca Loco
This is a modified--slightly--variation of the USPL concept originally devised by Davidson some years ago (and played at least once.) The only substantial difference is the idea of one flag being moved at a time, ie: offense and defense. Original concept featured two flags so each team was on offense and defense simultaneously.

Early on Xball was considered by some to be little more than a stripped down version of the USPL concept.

I always thought Steve's idea had merit and tried to talk my team at that time into going to play the introductory event in, if I'm remembering correctly, La Porte, Indiana at a fairgrounds there.

Not a bad idea at all, TmBwm740, but not new either.
Yeah I've read the USPL format. But I thought this up long before I heard of USPL. It kinda sucks how it worked out for them. They had some good ideas for USPL. I think it was the right idea at the wrong time. I think it was too early. If they would of thought of that like two years ago, it might be on ABC now.

Thanks for your support.
 

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I think a lot of you guys are missing the point of the long field - territory. If you get to the point where you can just shoot the opposing team out as soon as they get out of the box, that means you've taken control of all the territory, and SHOULD be able to do that, until you score.

The regeneration is an interesting angle, but 60 seconds is WAAAAY too long. 30 seconds would be plenty.

Biggest format problem is the scoring - offense until you score won't work - whoever is offense with a lead first will just stop playing and run out the time. You need a way for defense to become offense - like shooting out the player with the jersey.


Biggest real problem is that you're short a few million dollars. And you don't understand what will get you a TV contract - it has nothing to do with the format. We don't need a new format, because it's not the format that determines whether something gets on TV or not, it's the market - how many people are going to tune in, and making the TV network believe that it's a lot. Once the TV folks believe that it's a lot, you can pick whatever format you feel like, it's not like it's HARD to come up with a new format.
 

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Originally posted by Chicago
I think a lot of you guys are missing the point of the long field - territory. If you get to the point where you can just shoot the opposing team out as soon as they get out of the box, that means you've taken control of all the territory, and SHOULD be able to do that, until you score.

The regeneration is an interesting angle, but 60 seconds is WAAAAY too long. 30 seconds would be plenty.

Biggest format problem is the scoring - offense until you score won't work - whoever is offense with a lead first will just stop playing and run out the time. You need a way for defense to become offense - like shooting out the player with the jersey.


Biggest real problem is that you're short a few million dollars. And you don't understand what will get you a TV contract - it has nothing to do with the format. We don't need a new format, because it's not the format that determines whether something gets on TV or not, it's the market - how many people are going to tune in, and making the TV network believe that it's a lot. Once the TV folks believe that it's a lot, you can pick whatever format you feel like, it's not like it's HARD to come up with a new format.
Yeah I know I'm short a few million dollars. That's what major sponsors are for. I'm starting to look to sport marketing consultants to represent it to sponsors. BIG sponsors.
I liked that you understand the point of the long field. It's also to make the matches longer, so they're not too fast to follow, because theres exciting fast, and then there's "I don't have any idea what's going on," fast.
 

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Now why am I going to pay you for your format? Why don't I just use my own?

That's what Davidson never understood - he wanted people to pay him to use his format, but he never understood that there wasn't any reason to. Formats are free.