Nations Cup @ MS Campaign Cup Basildon

[Missy-Q]

Thanks for them word's Jim both firm teams also got silverware as well i am going to stick up a post later with some points with have learned form this weekend.

But to be honest i think the Team GB thing should be run by the players for the players.

I think it should be separate from the industry and run on it's own with help if they want to give it.

Then every thing can transparent and not be looked at as a marketing tool for the companies.

If you take football for instance for some reason every one looks to football to see the differences with paintball.

The FA have no players or players input into the game i think this is why they have brought in Gareth southgate to run the youth program.

The FA have made this country's football team into a joke but who have the footballers got to answer to? a load of businessmen in suits if they had to answer to fellow players or the fans then i think it would be a different story.

This is not compareing the FED and the FA but this is what we don't and the people i have spoken to don't want it to come to this as well.

Are the fed even around any more? because we have heard nothing from them untill this point.

And this is what we want to achieve with it. we want to answer to the fans and our fellow players.

We need to be in it to win it simple as that we can't be weak when it comes to picking players or dropping them we need the best of the best and then have a practice program to come from that for our youth players.

Me and twizz are talking and again going to be talking tonight about the youth cup and details will be released shortly.

Does this mean you'll only be inviting people that can pay their own way? Bold move, but how do you feel this will effect your team selection process? Reading between the lines (and I could be way off course) it seems like Twizz ponied up some necessary for the event. Is that the plan going forward too? Is everyone happy with that situation? Including Twizz?

 

[Markie C]

Markie, so let me get this right to make sure I haven't got anything wrong regarding this socialist enterprise you have in mind here ... are you suggesting you don't want any help from the industry???
Are you also suggesting, you don't need any sort of governing body under which you can function as a team?

No its not what i am saying pete, havnt really got time to reply to a full extent i have to pick my little girl up.

I am saying it might be an idea to keep it being run by the players with maybe 3 or 4 people over seeing it with help from the industry if they want to give it, not being run by the industry.

I don't think it should be used for a marketing tool for one or 2 companies i am sure i am not getting the point across like i should be doing and it might be all sounding wrong.

its not a dig at any one or any thing its only an idea to run with to see what happens.

You can't say at the moment the "FED" is a vocal part of UK paintball can you Pete?

Pretty much from when you left we have heard nothing from them.

All i am worried about is that this could be used for the wrong reason's Pete, and you your self said this could go the right way or the wrong way.

It's only i have so much passion for this sport and want it to well now we have something to build from that's not been set up by anyone else but players and coaches.

 

[Ainsley]

Let's not make more of this than it really is though.......an exhibition match and whilst I'm just as proud as anyone else about the UK result, this is simply a sideline to the main event to offer some much needed press coverage as it's easier to relate to from a media perspective when it's countries competing rather than random team names. I'm not knocking anything about it, we need all the help we can get and think it was a good move to put the on the show on a whole host of levels......

We proved as a nation that our players can compete with the rest of Europe, even though we are still dragging behind the rest of the Euro zone in terms of number of teams and quantity of players.........which can't be a bad thing. It was no doubt a wise move to select the UK as the host for this "event" and hopefully if it gets that extra bit of coverage and encourages a few more people into the sport then it's a win win.

However, I'm not sure how much support this really needs.......paint support yes, but with most players coming from teams who have deals in place already, surely that's not going to be hard to come by. Aside from that what does it want for? The players will now go back to playing in their teams until perhaps next years exhibition, where hopefully the UK will once again smash Ivan Drago and friends after training with rocks and logs for a month prior. Or does this mean the creation of a "super team" under a UK banner to compete further afield? If I'm honest, I'm not sure exactly what this will achieve.....I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need to add to our team rosters, not consolidate further by removing those star players from teams that use them as a means of growth and guidance. Ground up........

With regards to having a governing body as a whole, no brainer..........we need one. Simple as. I think Markie was referring to just the nation's cup (correct me if I'm wrong?). As I understand it, the EPBF is being rolled out as we speak as a means of connecting sup'air players all over Europe and offering a common platform to work from to work with the Fed etc?

 

[Markie C]

Does this mean you'll only be inviting people that can pay their own way? Bold move, but how do you feel this will effect your team selection process? Reading between the lines (and I could be way off course) it seems like Twizz ponied up some necessary for the event. Is that the plan going forward too? Is everyone happy with that situation? Including Twizz?

This is not what i am saying at all.

It was only a thought and i might be way off the line in what i was thinking.

Teams can't be team's with out the help from the industry and so on.

I am saying this should be used in the right way.

We need the industry to support this, and in every country but it shouldn't be run by the industry does it make sense?

Sorry owen and pete and who ever this is not viva the revolution on my part i havn't been around for as long as you guys have so i might be way off the mark it was just an idea.

All i am worried about is it being used in the wrong way thats all there is no hidden agenda behind any thing i just don't know the right way to put my thought's into making sense.

 

[Missy-Q]

This is not what i am saying at all.

It was only a thought and i might be way off the line in what i was thinking.

Teams can't be team's with out the help from the industry and so on.

I am saying this should be used in the right way.

We need the industry to support this, and in every country but it shouldn't be run by the industry does it make sense?

Sorry owen and pete and who ever this is not viva the revolution on my part i havn't been around for as long as you guys have so i might be way off the mark it was just an idea.

All i am worried about is it being used in the wrong way thats all there is no hidden agenda behind any thing i just don't know the right way to put my thought's into making sense.

I think you're in the clear Markie. Nobody wants to take over, and seeing as you guys just won the event, I'm sure you'll be the guys that are asked to do it over again when the time comes.

 

[the yorkie man]

a view from a small fish

Markie, so let me get this right to make sure I haven't got anything wrong regarding this socialist enterprise you have in mind here ... are you suggesting you don't want any help from the industry???
Are you also suggesting, you don't need any sort of governing body under which you can function as a team?

hi all
im sure markie didnt mean they dont want help from the federation and industry because they do, just that the federation has its place in the paintball structure and so does a player body, i feel this debate could spark a age old problem that has plagued our sport for years, i supported the ukpsf and still do they now lookafter the rec side of the industry, thinking this was our governing body for years, then came along the federation looking after the tourni side, this to i will give my full support to if its in the best interest of our beloved sport, but i too feel there should be a players body that the teams and supporters have a say in, however this is where the problem lies, to set up any body requires time effort and (the ugly word Money) however time is the big problem here people harp on about, this should be done, that should be done, but very few people will give their time, to get these things done. When they do their is very little or no support, A man cant built a city alone! HE NEED HELP ! TRY TO DO TO MUCH AND YOU WILL FAIL! here with markie twizz and spike we have an experianced group of people that could assist the federation in this task, let embrace their help, as my title says im a very small fish in a very big pond, if i can help i would deem it an honor.
lets work together, talk , and get this sorted, (sorry the view of an idealist)
cheers
yorkie

 

[Robbo]

I've just got off the phone from Markie [and Twizz] and Markie's now made clear what his intentions are and I gotta say, I think his heart is most certainly in the right place, though he might need a quick 101 course in the politics of writing paintball posts ...

I told him one of the few things paintball has taught me, leastwise in any profound sense and that is, 'success is always political' ... it's merely a matter of time before the tentacles of money and politics begin to creep their way in.

The problem we had before Basildon was us Brits had very little success to build upon to provide inspiration, the problem we now face is - we've got success, but what do we now do with it?

I think there's gonna be a tendency to form a single team on the back of this success in much the same sorta way Nexus was created but times have changed I'm afraid and the present financial situation just doesn't lend itself to creating 'super' teams anymore and he's not the sort of man who likes splitting teams up by taking the best players out.
I've known Twizz over 20 years and that man ain't got testicles, you can guess what he's got instead ...

And on top of that, he has our sport coursing thru his veins, and with this recent success he should look to hooking up with someone like Markie C and broadening their focus .. instead of thinking about a single team here ... think about a wider goal of improving Brit Ball ... seriously! ... use this success somehow in trying to build academies across the country with industry's help ... Twizz knows the political landscape well enough; maybe it's time for him to truly focus on what to do .... maybe his 'road to Damascus' was the 'road to Basildon' ...
The Fed tried to rebuild Brit ball on the back of reason, maybe Twizz and Markie can achieve it on the back of success ... after all, 'success has many parents' .... I think it could be time for Twizz and Markie to fulfill their destinies .. just an idea ...

 

[Missy-Q]

I've known Twizz over 20 years and that man ain't got testicles, you can guess what he's got instead ...

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Too............many............jokes.......aaaarrrrggghgh!

 

[shoot2]

Twizz for king! I think the GB team did great well done boys.

 

[Ant_UK_Refs]

Metralha, were you actually there? Did you actually see the GB team rip through the Russians (who consisted of Fedorov, Panteleev, Piridh and other members of Russian Legion whose names resemble an optician's chart and I've no intention of trying to spell)? Considering the time scale in which the GB squad was finalised, Twizz, Spike and all the team did a bloody fantastic job. As for being in the right place at the right time.........just have another look at the named squad please mate. It's got bugger all to do with who you know, being there at the right time or anything like that. I know I don't speak for the coaches, but I'm sure they would have had an even bigger selection headache had they been given more time to get a squad organised. Well done GB, it was a pleasure to ref you boys