funny you should say that was at the big game and one of the lads camping behind us was from one of the uni teams. He was using a cyborg and made a comment how there realy realy accurate to a certain distance ie torni distance and then just drop of after that, not like the cockers and mags of old with a constant curved trajectory. anyway i lent him my apex as i swaped from my pmr/apex setup to my mag/cp setup and he loved it after getting use to it. on a side note i held my own ALOT better with my mag as its easyer to predict with the constant curve of the shot.If moneys no option tell him to get a ego or cyborg and stick an apex on it. Always wondered what would happen.