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Mahatma

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I agree on making it more like other sports, but keeping a player from playing the league for the rest of the season after one tournament is not the right way to start making it a sport. IMHO
 

A.B

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Nick whilst i agree this is a good rule to prevent 'the grass is greener' players, it throws some real spanners in the works.

We have several players whose commitment has faltered from their original pledge(for whatever reason), these need to be replaced- we cannot replace them either temporarily or permanently with players that have already played this season or intend to play this season with another team.

Essentially if i have an injured player or someone else's life situation changes, i will struggle to field a full 7 man team- regardless of the fact i already have 10 of my 15 roster spaces filled. Iwe are currently workign to add the remaining 5 to fill this void, but i have to do this before campaign, which means taking a chance on players that are unproven etc.

If i am unable to field 7 players- i am not going to pay all that money to attend the event with 6, that'd be crazy.

so thats a team no longer attending that would have attended ALL the events.

Do this several times over as i'm sure were not the isolated case, and maybe you can empathise with why lower division teams are not overly happy with the rule.


I would like the IPPU to look into the possibility of either a Transfer fee for moving/signing previously registered players (reasonable though, obviously greater than a new players registration fee but no more than teams entrance fee divided by 7)

Or

Permit all teams to make x (to be determined) number of free transfers within a season.

A.B
 

impamiizgraa

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Nick whilst i agree this is a good rule to prevent 'the grass is greener' players, it throws some real spanners in the works.

We have several players whose commitment has faltered from their original pledge(for whatever reason), these need to be replaced- we cannot replace them either temporarily or permanently with players that have already played this season or intend to play this season with another team.

Essentially if i have an injured player or someone else's life situation changes, i will struggle to field a full 7 man team- regardless of the fact i already have 10 of my 15 roster spaces filled. Iwe are currently workign to add the remaining 5 to fill this void, but i have to do this before campaign, which means taking a chance on players that are unproven etc.

If i am unable to field 7 players- i am not going to pay all that money to attend the event with 6, that'd be crazy.

so thats a team no longer attending that would have attended ALL the events.

Do this several times over as i'm sure were not the isolated case, and maybe you can empathise with why lower division teams are not overly happy with the rule.


I would like the IPPU to look into the possibility of either a Transfer fee for moving/signing previously registered players (reasonable though, obviously greater than a new players registration fee but no more than teams entrance fee divided by 7)

Or

Permit all teams to make x (to be determined) number of free transfers within a season.

A.B
I agree with that.

It then stops the whole "grass is greener" kinda idea still, as players would have to pay to move...so only the ones who really wanted to move for sure would do it.

It also helps teams out like AB said...

Also - it'll generate more money for the Mil's, so they shouldn't have a problem with it...they could even put it towards getting a proper reffing body :rolleyes:
 

Nick Brockdorff

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We have several players whose commitment has faltered from their original pledge(for whatever reason), these need to be replaced- we cannot replace them either temporarily or permanently with players that have already played this season or intend to play this season with another team.
But when you are picking those players from other MS teams - instead of locally, you are helping perpetuate the problem - don't you see that?

A fee just means that those with money can do whatever they like

Nick
 

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I have no problem with sister teams (although I would suggest that no two should be in the same division, but hey, the NPPL don't care). I have a problem with some weird exception permitting them to do anything not allowed to another team.

There should be no "aren't you great for putting two teams in" pat on the back for anyone. If little Jimmy is playing in CPL then he plays in CPL as long as everyone else has to - no drop down a division to help out his sister team who've got their butts kicked all year and will get demoted.

Sister teams - fine
Exceptions for them because they have matching tops - no

It's no different to a team watching Div2, seeing a killer snake guy and wanting them to jump up to their team, whether it's a sister team or not, the same rules have to apply and everyone has equal chance to field players from above/below their division - if that chance is zero (as it appears to be) then it's zero for everyone.
 

Syd (NSPL)

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But when you are picking those players from other MS teams - instead of locally, you are helping perpetuate the problem - don't you see that?
I don't think that's the point Nick. Because of this rule, teams cannot pick up players that are not with their original Millennium teams for whatever reason and these players are left out of participating altogether. No one's advocating poaching players... its about finding a balance between pushing the sport forward and making sure the teams aren't destroyed in the process.
 
I think that the grass is greener reasoning only applies to teams that are higher than the team currently played for. If you are looking to move teams for whatever reason (and most are more than valid) and the new team is in the same division then there should be no rule that prevents it. If it is to a lower team or a higher team then it will, of course, cause problems. What problems does simply moving sideways cause and how is it making the sport less professional?
 

Kevin

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the pa league in the uk use a transfer period,
they are signed to a team and if the manager agrees to let them go they can be transfered in 30 days, if the manager doesnt release him it is 90 days,
this stops players moving teams between events, and last year 90 days meant 3 legs, could a similar system work in the millenniums?
stops players switching teams willy nilly and promotes a bit of loyalty to a team.
 

Freddie Brockdorff

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Maybe I´m wrong but I seem to remember this rule being in place already last season - if you had been rostered for 1 team, you couldn´t switch to another mid-season?? If so I honestly am amazed by peoples sudden surprise of it being in the rulebook.......

I know it sucks for some since it can be for valid reasons they will have to quit the team mid-season, while for others it will simply be "beacause the grass is greener...." - BUT how to draw the line?? How will you make a rule like this, how would you write it down on a piece of paper??? It will always "hurt" someone.... There´s always exceptions, unfortunately, and there´s always a reason for certain rules being there! :eek: