Millennium/NPPL clash

[Robbo]

Originally posted by sjt19
Fair point Pete,

Although its not ideal, how about entering a team of players yo know you can trust? Ex Nexus players maybe? I know your response will be 'Why should I have to', but its just a suggestion

Mark Toye, Jack Woods, Phil, Bowen, Junior, Biff,

Im sure they would represent Nexus well, in the 5 man M7.

That was the original idea, I had Ledz and a few other guys from Planet and maybe a few old Nexus players were gonna fill out for us, I didn't like the idea but I was prepared to go down that road but it still wouldn't have gotten past the contractual problems that will erupt.
Ledz and some of the others can't now make it and now has to go to HB and thus any confidence I had in who was representing Nexus and our sponsors was thrown to the winds.

I could go cap in hand to Ceranksi (PMI) and Dave YB and plead for their understanding in me breaking agreements we have made....but why the hell should I?
They give me enough already without me being so insensitive and asking for them to ignore any assurances I have made, either contractual or verbal.
For anybody who knows me in this paintball world, if I give my word, I wil keep it, end of!
My sponsors respect my loyalty and know I will keep my word and it all works well together as we support each other.
I will not go to them and attempt to undo my word just because some idiot won't compromise.

This problem is polarizing itself along lines that it shouldn't really be taking and this recent turn of events is wholly the fault of one of the board members in personalizing the conflict rather than looking at what I am saying.
The seeds for this were sewn a year or so ago when I had the problem with money being held back unjustly from the EXL teams.

He had to climb down on that one and now sees it as a weakness if he sees common sense on this one.
If this situation could be dealt with by looking at the fairness of what's being done, then the right decision inevitably will be made.
It is an extremely unwise decision to deal with this situation on the basis of not wanting to do the right thing because it is me who is saying it.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
Baca - this ain't a debate that me and u should be entering into, I am directly involved in this cr@p and have a lot more insider knowledge of what's gone down and why (which I ain't gonna divulge....yet) and you are not even indirectly involved.......

All good as I wasn't debating anything, simply offering a point of view as to appearances.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
All good as I wasn't debating anything, simply offering a point of view as to appearances.

Appearences????

They can be decpetive Mister, go take a look at any swan gliding atop the water.....a majestic smooth motion......just go look at its frikkin feet under the water-line, the facker's look like epileptics on speed.

This little exclusion mandate may have glided past us at the CPL meeting but underneath Paul ..... well I'm sure you know what I am hinting at here.

 

[Chicago]

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff

But - where some may then have an issue, is that they might also "like" to go play Semi-Pro at the fist NPPL - and get average for Marseille..... and the MS would be in no position to deny that... and Marseille might end up with a CPL of 10 teams.

You see the problem?

Nope, I see the solution. No Champions league at the Marseille event. Everybody plays 4 events. You can have a Pro 7-man event at Marseille for anyone who doesn't want to hop the pond.

But, ignoring that, there still isn't a problem: The other teams CAN'T leave to lay NPPL, even if they would like to, because:

1) They don't have Pro or SemiPro NPPL spots
2) The rest of the event is sold out too.

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Originally posted by Chicago
Nope, I see the solution. No Champions league at the Marseille event. Everybody plays 4 events. You can have a Pro 7-man event at Marseille for anyone who doesn't want to hop the pond.

But, ignoring that, there still isn't a problem: The other teams CAN'T leave to lay NPPL, even if they would like to, because:

1) They don't have Pro or SemiPro NPPL spots
2) The rest of the event is sold out too.

Best suggestion yet

 

[Steve Hancock]

I agree that this in itself is a significant problem, but i feel it is just part of a wider issue, i.e. the lack of structure paintball has. There is no international governing bodies, no standard rules, and only occasional coordination between leagues.

There is bound to be disorganisation. Although it sounds like some may have designed this to edge out the top competition.

 

[sjt19]

Steve, It is not contrived that way at all, just a set of circumstances that have arisen due to no fault of the MS or Nexus or Joy.

 

[Steve Hancock]

Originally posted by sjt19
Steve, It is not contrived that way at all, just a set of circumstances that have arisen due to no fault of the MS or Nexus or Joy.

Sorry if I have misinterpreted.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
I agree that this in itself is a significant problem, but i feel it is just part of a wider issue, i.e. the lack of structure Paintball has. There is no international governing bodies, no standard rules, and only occasional coordination between leagues.

There is bound to be disorganisation. Although it sounds like some may have designed this to edge out the top competition.

Good point Steve because this mandate was slapped upon us with no consultation whatsoever and in fact, Laurent had given me an assurance prior to the meeting that provision would be made for teams who might be affected ... he didn't promise me but he did tell me he would make provision.

This whole situation beggars the question and I think it is fundamental to what's going on here :-

That meeting that had all us captains in attendance was called so we could vote on issues relating to the setting up of the new league and format ... so far so good.
None of us had any problem with the league adopting a mandated 5 man format because it was the obvious way to go bearing in mind what PSP were doing and also this new world federation .. still no problem.
The problem I got is this, why would the board decide beforehand to introduce an exclusion issue that they knew would cause problems for Nexus and Joy ... think about this for a minute because it's important here because nobody had bought this up before, teams weren't exactly screaming out for it and so why get all pro active on this point?
Why make it mandatory for teams to attend the first event and if they don't, then exclude them?

Seems to me that something must have been going on for them to come up with this idea and to make it a mandate.
Something smells fishy to me because why not just allow a vote on it if they thought it was gonna be that much of an issue.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by sjt19
Steve, It is not contrived that way at all, just a set of circumstances that have arisen due to no fault of the MS or Nexus or Joy.

Sam ..... don't be so hasty mate ..... maybe we can write off the NPPL's decision to hold it on the same weekend as deliberate and calculating tho I am sure some people might suggest otherwise but for the time being let's assume they did not but once the Millennium Board realised the dates would clash and once they knew we were gonna be playing the NPPL HB event, why then make a mandate that they knew would cause problems for 3 teams who were qualified for the Millennium but also had to play the NPPL .... really think about this point mate because it has deep implications...