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scott essery

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so what makes the Russian legion's training and play that much different from Nexus or manc?

in all sports you have to look at the best to see why they are the best ...then copy...then inventive to spot 'edges' to be better.
 

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whats up with the russians ?

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they played well at the cup and they just get better and smarter when they play............................ I think in 2006 they will be shockingly brilliant.

Graham, I just noticed (and picked up on) your choice of words......hmmmmmmm........
 

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Originally posted by scott essery
so what makes the Russian legion's training and play that much different from Nexus or manc?

in all sports you have to look at the best to see why they are the best ...then copy...then inventive to spot 'edges' to be better.
Scott, the main difference is they train five days a week and for most of them, it's a full time job.
Sergey has a training system that he has developed himself over the past few years and concentrates on techniques, fitness and a feedback process entitled 'Operational Innovation’ which pretty much relies upon feedback from everybody involved in the training process; from Sergey, through to the coaches and on to the player, all are involved.
Nobody else in the paintball world is even close to what Sergey does with the Russian Legion let alone Nexus, the only hope I got is to go for a higher base rate of talent, which I honestly believe I have got and try to work with them with the limited time I have available and hope whatever I put into their heads is listened to and more importantly acted upon, if we manage that seemingly simple task (it’s not by the way) then we will be up there next year in the NPPL.
 

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if you are starting now and hoping to be a Pro 28 is probably too old. In America almost certainly and probably over in Olde Blighty as well.
I don't believe that to be true Baca.

I see many Pros that are nearly as athletic as the youngsters who are in their 30s - heck... look at Menace, a couple of the guys are over 40, and they just turned Pro 1,5 years ago!

Paintball is not a sport that requires youth like most other sports.... that's what makes it so great! - you just play the game slightly different when your reactions become a bit slower and you run the 30 yards a half second slower than you used to.... but you can still play Pro, if you are dedicated to training hard and you've got the desire to sacrifice what it takes.

And - I'm not taling about experience winning over youth here.... I mean that if you are just starting out in the game as a 28 year old - you can be Pro in 2 years easy, if you REALLY want to.

I've got a guy in my team who is 32, who never touched a paintball marker until 1 year ago - and already now he is good enough for Pro.... it has taken a lot of hard work and determination.... but if the talent is there, it is all it takes, no matter what age you are (up to a point ofcourse ;)).

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
1--I don't believe that to be true Baca.

2--I see many Pros that are nearly as athletic as the youngsters who are in their 30s - heck... look at Menace, a couple of the guys are over 40, and they just turned Pro 1,5 years ago!

3--Paintball is not a sport that requires youth like most other sports.... that's what makes it so great! - you just play the game slightly different when your reactions become a bit slower and you run the 30 yards a half second slower than you used to.... but you can still play Pro, if you are dedicated to training hard and you've got the desire to sacrifice what it takes.

4--And - I'm not taling about experience winning over youth here.... I mean that if you are just starting out in the game as a 28 year old - you can be Pro in 2 years easy, if you REALLY want to.

5--I've got a guy in my team who is 32, who never touched a paintball marker until 1 year ago - and already now he is good enough for Pro.... it has taken a lot of hard work and determination.... but if the talent is there, it is all it takes, no matter what age you are (up to a point ofcourse ;)).

Nick
1--Feel free to believe whatever you like, Nick. Nowhere did I say it was flat out impossible--I simply said it was highly unlikely--and I'll stand by that. As soon as Pete picks up a 29 year old with one year's training I'll reconsider the Olde Blighty part. :)

2--I will grant you Menace and raise you years of experience competing. Saw the boys in Miami play a couple of games and they were rock solid. My point remains--give me the choice of a 16 year old with a year under his belt or a 28 year old in the same circumstances and I'm picking the 16 year old unless he's a complete idiot, and I do mean, complete though, of course, age is no bar to stupidity. Partial idiots I'll accept. :D

3--Again with what is possible as opposed to likely. When serious American Pro teams start picking up inexperienced 30 year olds cus of their skills I'll admit the error in my thinking. I can promise you it won't be me who does it first. I have 5 guys under 21 who already have Pro experience and vast resources of untapped ability.

4--if you're starting your own team, maybe; if you're expecting to get on board an established team I remain convinced it's highly unlikely. And making it even more remote is the process of restricting the Pro ranks that's occuring throughout major league paintball. Rapidly approaches the day when a team can no longer just pay up and call themselves pros.

5--then the Berserks should have a leg up on the competition next season, eh?! :)

It could be Nick we are applying different standards when we talk about being Pro quality. I see lots of players with the skills potential and most of them will never play on a pro roster for a variety of reasons.
 

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I know baca - you said "almost certainly" ;)

Obviously if you are to choose between two exactly equal players - and one is 12 years younger than the other - you choose the young one - can I say DUH? :D

The point I was making was, that it is absolutely not impossible to reach Pro level in terms of skill, just because you start at 28.... because from an athletic standpoint, you will still have some 10 years left in you (some more) - if you choose to do the work.... and in this day and age, the most talented can reach the necessary skill level in 1-2 years.

If you are however referring to the roster management strategy of the existing teams - you are probably right - but fortunately that is not the only way to reach Pro level... otherwise - why would the rest of the teams bother playing ? ;)

Nick
 

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nick

doesnt it depend on the level you play at? if you want to compete with the legion you first have to match the physical athletic side with skillful players robo is talking about

if you want to do ok at the masters of divison three... then thats another level :)