madrid marchalling

[Robbo]

As we are one of the teams who didnt get 200 points but showed up with 8 members in Marseille, i am not really willing to accept this.

We are also discussing it in Germany and come to the point that someone of the board decided to give some teams in Madrid 200 pts becaused they already booked flights for 8 members and then got told that the only have to come with 4. As a compensation for taking holidays from work, canceling flights etc. the got the whole points.

How can that be? Even when there are also Pro Refs in Madrid who got paid for reffing? Why couldnt the got 8 more refs for the fields and got rid of some of the Pro Refs?

So as the Millennium Series is a company and we are the customers of that company, we all have the right to get treated all the same way. In this case refs got compensation (or whatever you will call it) for less fields or any difficulties they have with canceling and stuff I could also claim that we had to less marshalls in Marseille with to much teams and fields compared to the ammount of refs. I remember M5: Two fields with 10 marshalls and 1 head marshall for both fields.

I am speaking in the name of 2die4 Factory (FightClub) D1 team.

I don't think anybody is saying the allocation of these points is 'right', it is merely the lesser of evils because the alternative was to have an event that would have descended into absolute chaos had these particular refs not turned up.

This has been bought about by one man and his decision to err on the side of saving money and his legacy in this is one where it leaves a lot of teams like yourselves pissed off, and understandably so.
It is not a situation where we should now deduct those points or in fact allow the same provision for other teams because of 'fairness', this is not a fair situation.
It required an expedient solution where everybody benefited (by having these refs turn up) as against being definitively fair and then everybody losing because the event descended into chaos.

 

[Freddie Brockdorff]

The problem isn´t that these teams got full points for reffing, but on the other hand how to explain other teams, the reasons for them NOT getting the full amount of points....

I see the reasons - off course these teams should recieve full points for Madrid, as would ALL of us in that situation have demanded to travel out with such short notice!

But I also see the points of teams reffing other events - if it had been yet another "normal" season, then I don´t think we would´ve seen any dissagreements on this issue - but it isn´t! This is all about qualifying for next years div. 1, so there is obviously a whole lot more at stake than just some inferior ranking in the 20s....

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

I think the current point status should remain as is.

Team deducted points for misdemeanours etc had these deducted for a reason. They must have been assessed on the basis of the rules and judged to be fair in their own right.

This situation pits Pedros penny pinching against the goodwill of teams that made financial and time commitments to fulfill their obligations and fully expected this to be rewarded with their points.

If those that then turned up didnt do the job they were expected to do then they could not complain if points were deducted. But it seems that they did the job and deductions cannot be made for that reason therefor. As for turning up with less than the required number of judges, I think that this has been fully discussed/ If they had declined to turn up at all and still expected points then they could go hang. However, they applied themselves and made the effort.

Who would feel that reduction of points would be just in this case? Not I!

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Teams only get full points for reffing, if they are performing upto whatever standard Ulrich applies for them.... and it makes no difference whether they bring 8 marshals or 1.

The points reflect the quality of the work they do.... not the number of refs they bring.

There is no way you can fault teams that were willing to bring 8 refs, who were then told they should bring only 4 and still get points as if they were 8.

There is no way of knowing if those teams would still have gotten 200 points, had they brought 8 refs instead of 4.... and deducting points because the MS told them to leave refs at home will simply not be fair.

If teams were suddenly to only get half the points, because they were only 4 refs.... don't you think they would have elected to play the event instead??

Nick

 

[ThreeD]

So HPG Factory only brouhgt 6 refs to Marseille because 1 got ill just before the event and 1 got injuried in France just before the start of the event (correct me if I am wrong, hpg guys). So of course they didnt brought enough ref as they stated before. There was a lot of bad luck with them and they only got 154 points (or something) because they werent enough...

They are messuring with different scales and that is the main problem. After the 2 teams that received 200 pzs as a compensation it has to be that ALL other teams that did reffing for points at Millennium have to get the same points in my oppinion. Then we got the balance back.

 

[vlad]

After the 2 teams that received 200 pzs as a compensation it has to be that ALL other teams that did reffing for points at Millennium have to get the same points in my oppinion. Then we got the balance back.

then we'll have change of the leader

 

[Mario]

The points reflect the quality of the work they do.... not the number of refs they bring.

ive been told by teams that have marshalled that they have had points deducted because they didn't bring 8 refs.

 

[Mark Toye-Nexus]

Its hard luck for HPG, thats the reality.

The balance is established as the points stand

 

[Robbo]

It's tough when you all go looking for a fair resolution in what is ostensibly, a totally unfair situation.
Nevertheless, nothing that has been said in this thread defelects me from thinking a solution has been chosen that is for all intents and purposes, the 'lesser of evils' and as such, we have to accept that some people will be disadvantaged.

 

[ThreeD]

then we'll have change of the leader

of course, but then we have the same measurement for all ref teams. i cant believe that there is so much arbitrariness in a simple system of judging ref teams...