Lane Wright talks smack

[Justin Owen]

>>>> but Lane's character isn't at issue.<<<<

Actually, I originally thought some folks were taking pot shots at Lane and I was meaning to address that, however after going back over the thread to make sure my head was on straight I can see that I mis-understood what was being said.

As for the PSP tournaments and the debate "proper," hehe, no problemo and what I can gather from others is what I posted.

Lotsa love,
~J~

 

[raehl]

Re: Man...

Originally posted by Baca Loco
As usual you aren't paying any attention to anything but you're own pronouncements. My point isn't that either Lane or Camille aren't available on an individual basis but that both organizations would find it in their public relations interest to be more communicative and open generally. The unwillingness to communicate broadly except in very limited ways or privately is merely a means of controlling information and attempting to stifle debate.

LastI checked, they both have websites. They both release information through email or their preferred web forum channels, generally where they expect their CUSTOMERS to be.

What do you want, Lane and Camille to spend all day going to every web board and searching for and replying to every person's questions/gripes/whatever? That's a ridiculous expectation. If you want to engage in debate, fine, but expecting the employees of the company you're debating about to do it with you is silly. Companies release information through controlled channels, or through customer service lines, which in our case are Camille's and Lane's phone numbers. You want information about a company, CALL THE COMPANY, don't be expecting them to come to your web board.

Lane isn't posting on p8ntballer - oh no! Adding content to your web forum is not Lane's job.

If I went on a public web forum and started answering questons about my company I'd be fired, as would most employees at most companies not specifically authorized to communicate on the company's behalf to the public (and even then, they would only communicate with the press or through releases/advertisements, not by posts on web forums). THAT'S the way that real businesses work.

- Chris

 

[TJ Lambini]

So THAT's why Lane's always posting on Smacktalk then...he wants to get sacked.

Oh and Lane doesn't post on here? ROFLMAO...he's on here all tha time, just not as Lane.

 

[raehl]

Heh, sorry...

I meant, "Lane isn't posting on this topic to satisfy Baca...", not not posting here in general. And was trying to point out that Paintball's habit of having league personnel communicate on public forums is ABNORMAL as opposed to something anyone should expect.

I shouldn't post right when I wake up.

- Chris

 

[Robbo]

Heh, sorry...

Originally posted by raehl
I shouldn't post right when I wake up.
- Chris

Change that to read:- I shouldn't post right when I'm awake

 

[TJ Lambini]

He doesn't...

 

[Baca Loco]

Chris, you crack me up, really you do

Originally posted by raehl
1--LastI checked, they both have websites. They both release information through email or their preferred web forum channels, generally where they expect their CUSTOMERS to be.
2--What do you want, Lane and Camille to spend all day going to every web board and searching for and replying to every person's questions/gripes/whatever? That's a ridiculous expectation.
3--If you want to engage in debate, fine, but expecting the employees of the company you're debating about to do it with you is silly.
4--Companies release information through controlled channels, or through customer service lines, which in our case are Camille's and Lane's phone numbers. You want information about a company, CALL THE COMPANY, don't be expecting them to come to your web board.
5--THAT'S the way that real businesses work.

- Chris

1--Which serve a very limited purpose.
2--Where, in any of these posts, did I say I wanted anything? I realize you have trouble with concepts and expressions that don't originate in your own head but none of the points I have offered have anything to do with me.
3--Again, no expectations but both the individuals named are the principle spokespersons for their respective groups and the bulk of their duties revolve around the public perception of said groups. Unfortunately, in Public Relations one is usually compelled to deal with the public. Novel, I know.
4--Perhaps you could help me dial the phone while you're at it?
5-- LMAO

 

[raehl]

Seriously Baca...

Let's look at the Fortune 500. No, how about the Fortune 1000.

Now how many of them have company representatives posting on web forums? One? Two? Three?

If you want to talk to your phone company, you call them. Post office? Call them. Grocery store, restaurant, amusement park? Call them, or go in and bitch personally. Yes, businesses need to conduct public relations, but they do not do it through internet forums, period. They have very well reviewed, generally static outlets of communication, like literature, advertising, and web sites. Companies don't let employees rove the net posting willy nilly because there's too much risk - there's no overview of what is said, and once it's said you can't get it back.

And both Camille's and Lane's jobs include a lot more than PR.


Anyway, there will be less and less appearances of league personnel on web forums as time goes on, and that's exactly the way it should be. Even now, most of what you see out of Lane and Camille are prepared statements.

- Chris

 

[Baca Loco]

Seriously Baca...

Originally posted by raehl
Let's look at the Fortune 500. No, how about the Fortune 1000.

Now how many of them have company representatives posting on web forums? One? Two? Three?

If you want to talk to your phone company, you call them. Post office? Call them. Grocery store, restaurant, amusement park? Call them, or go in and bitch personally. Yes, businesses need to conduct public relations, but they do not do it through internet forums, period. They have very well reviewed, generally static outlets of communication, like literature, advertising, and web sites. Companies don't let employees rove the net posting willy nilly because there's too much risk - there's no overview of what is said, and once it's said you can't get it back.

And both Camille's and Lane's jobs include a lot more than PR.


Anyway, there will be less and less appearances of league personnel on web forums as time goes on, and that's exactly the way it should be. Even now, most of what you see out of Lane and Camille are prepared statements.

- Chris

And just what relevance does the Fortune 500 have? Oh wait, I know--absolutely none!
But seriously, Chris, just what sort of resources do the big promotors have to reach their core customer base? Millions of dollars and mass media? Sorry. How 'bout direct mail, paintball magazines and their websites. (And despite the pressure they can bring to bear on the mags they have no gurantees of positive press.)
When your resources are limited it only seems sensible to use what you can to project the image you wish to promote. Please note that last phrase--to project the image you wish to promote. Nothing to do with arguing with irate anonymous posters--even me--or anything of the sort.
My point all along has simply been that in the world of competitive Paintball internet forums can and do have an impact and failing to use them constructively is missing a significant opportunity.
Until, of course, that Fortune 500 thing works out.

 

[raehl]

See, I disagree.

I think using internet forums is, generally, a bad idea, even for paintball promoters. The only reason I do it is because I *HAVE* to, partly due to being more directly responsible to the players, and partly for financial reasons, two things not an issue for PSP/S7. And even then, it's only done on *OUR* web forums, I make no effort to run around to all the paintball web forums explaining everything about the league. (And I can't imagine even TRYING to do so if people talked about us as much as people talk about PSP/S7, although I do talk NCPA on the handful of forums I'm a regular reader at.) And communicating on web forums has definite drawbacks - while it's nice to have everyone able to communicate for free, it's also not so nice to be courting an out-of-industry sponsor, partially based on your web site traffic, and having them read up on a good deal of your business on the forums attached to your website. We're seriously considering canning a good portion of our web forums for that and other reasons.

Regardless, I'd rather see Lane and Camille spend their days making their leagues better than spending their days staying up to date on all the paintball forums. That's not efficient use of their time.


It's one thing to use the internet to distribute information. It's another thing to use it as a channel for customer dialogue - that's not something that should really be public.


- Chris