Just a question... What if it happened here?

[pickaxeboy]

a history lesson?

just curious i'm not givng any one a histroy lesson, and recorded history is always written by the victor, true the loser gets a say in modern sense but the final word is fromt he victor.

i'm not givng an irish man a history lesson, i am irish too, i may have grown up in england but it makes me no less irish (check my passport if you want).

i also agree with (almost) everything you said, except ireland was invaded by the british. if you look at britain it has been invaded more time than anywhere i can think of, so it is impossible to pin point a time where the british became british.

john[sad] ture no americans fought in the war of independance in that sense but you know what i mean

i having just finished my GCSE's can know how the men of the revolutionary war are discussed, THESE ARE MY VIEWS ON MY EXPERIANCES OF STUDYING THIS, THEY ARE NOT HOW THE TIMES ARE VIEWED BY EVERYONE IN BRITAIN. i always sympethised (yea i know it's wrong) with the revolutionaries, but most of the people in my class didn't. my class consisted mostly of people who believed that german u-boats were refueled in ireland in world war 2, that britain is always right and that they will win the world cup every 4 years. so when we came to study it most people jumped on the "oh my god how could they not want the queen as head of state and our lovely union flag". they also took to ignoring the horrors committed by both sides (as in every war, no matter how many times film companies try to make us believe our boys are wonderful) and only saw what they wanted too see.

those are only my views on my experiances of studying this period.

 

[TheRo0sTer]

It is strange how some very interesting facts have been thrown about in the last 4 post! I seem to be partial to all of pickaxeboy's comments. I do think you all have done your home work. I applaud you both.

As for this quote "Becuase no newspaper/TV station can resist sensationalism to sell papers. every reporter, editor, newspaper, TV station, every person has a motive too." I totally agree! I just see things from a totally different angle. Some things may have been taken as harsh or bashing to me, may have come across as just regular statements to others.

All in all I have to agree with this as well, "I do support them and i think the people of the US and UK should back up their men and women out there. but you have to let the anti-war people have their say too." We all should take pride in the Flag that waves at our Nations Capitols and back our fellow brethern who maybe sent to battle Terrorism!

Remember: Keep ballin' and having fun! I do everyday I touch my Angel!

 

[pickaxeboy]

nuclear powerstations

i'm just wondering if anybody saw the front of the Times (in the UK) with the SAM launcher at the French nuclear power thingy, does any one know what is happening at Sizewell, cos that is the most decriped and dodgy place i've ever seen (and i have been in side it (not the reactor)).

 

[Buddha 3]

It's times such as these that make me realise what a big steaming pile of pooh-pooh humanity really is. Indeed, by far the most conflicts (recent and historic) have been fought over religion/idealism. In other words: intolerance.
Besides that, what other animal, that you know of, would pollute it's own nest?
Things like these make me wonder what started all this.....I mean (keep in mind that I don't condone any form of terrorism AT ALL) there must be a reason these people hate the US, and indeed all of western civilisation so much.
Israel sends it's merkava tanks into palestine territories, because of terrorism, but at the same time Israel is (was) run by former terrorists (Rabin, the one who got shot by a jewish hardliner, used to be on the British most wanted list for being a terrorist).
When you really think about it, even the two nukes dropped on Japan were acts of terrorism. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were NOT military targets worthy of strategic bombing, let alone a nuke. But I guess you have to consider that one in the spirit of the day, after all terror bombing (the word says it all) was all the rage back then. Just ask the people of London, Coventry, Berlin, Dresden and Tokyo.
What I'm really interested in: who's sending all this anthrax around? Any guesses?
Maybe the world would indeed be a better place if it were run by women......(yeah right, remember Thatcher....)

Okay, time for another drink, or I'll get depressed!

 

[pickaxeboy]

this i just my theory about the atom bombs being dropped and the other normal bombing raids.

first the a-bombs, i'm not saying killing people is good, but if those bombs had never been dropped the real effects of them wouldn't have been know, sure scientists would have been able to guess at their effectivness but they wouldn't know (eg. the Gurnica ratio). and therefore then they were dropped everyone could actually see what damge and the havoc they caused, possibly making the super powers in the Cold War wary of setting htem off on eachother as they knew they would all end up dead.

the bombing of dresden etc., i don't think these should be forgotten, and it is wrong to call them evil and mindless destruction. when those raids began there was no way for britian to hit back at germany, those raids allowed it, and it undoubtedly damaged the geramn war machine and possibly shortened the war. also dresden was probably to show the advancing russian army what the allies could do.

just my thoughts

about the anthrax, who cares just aslong as they are caught

 

[Buddha 3]

Actually, the bombing of German cities did not damage their war machine at all. As a matter of fact, in november/december 1944 production in Germany was at an all time peak. What it did do was draw the luftwaffe away from where the ground forces were fighting, thus allowing the allies to achieve total air superiority over the theater of operations.
As for your statement about the dropping of the nukes scaring the world into not using them, that's a good point. One that we'll never know ofcourse, but a good way to look at it. Although I'm pretty sure the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have preferred not to be Guinea pigs.

I was just wondering about the anthrax, because it wouldn't surprise me if it were a bunch of Timothy McVeigh wannabees trying to cause even more havoc. I'm thinking it's a bunch of American rightwingers.
But you're right, who cares.

Let's just end this thread and go back to fun business:Ballin'!

 

[John C]

The A-bomb, was used mainly to signal to the Russians that the Americans were all powerfull and the Russians shouldnt get any ideas about grabbing any non Axis territories..
But i wouldnt say it was an experiment, when you know how much energy is released you can estimate pretty accurately how much damage is done. It is probably more to do with the huge losses america had already taken battling Japan, and the extreme nature of the Japanese military and civilians. It sounds brutal but a show of power of this magnitude, would probably be the outcome with the least casualties.

As for anthrax, the samples analysed so far have all been pretty high quality, suggesting highly funded scientiests rather than small exteremist groups, also anthrax CAN be traced back to the place of manufacture and i wouldnt like to be there when it is!!!

 

[pickaxeboy]

i didn't mean it was an experi ment just that once it was set off it made everyone think of the power the bomb has, not that it was dropped for that reason. it's like before 9/11 most people wouldn't have thought much of a terrorist attack, just shrugged the thought off (i'm not suggesting that people in america were arrogant, it's jsut there was nothing to really identify a threat to) but afterwards people knew what terrorists could do in america.

the reason production increased near to the end of the war was that the german industry was finally put on a war footing in like '43, before that it was one 8 hour shift a day in the factories and no rationing. either that or my histroy books lied to me.

the anthrax could be anybody, extreme right wingers, islamic terrorists, or new people, i frankly don't care just as long as they are caught. they are all the say type of person, they are just criminals.

 

[TheRo0sTer]

Whoa wait a minute back up! Like mentioned before it was an Atom Bomb not nuclear! Also how do you figure that to be a terrorist attack on Japan? What are you smoking crack? When a country declairs war on another country all is fair in love and WAR! They attacked Pearl Harbor without probable cause! It was a ploy by the Japanese to bring the USA into WWII! Now the 2 bombs were dropped on YES innocent civilians but as also these cities were major contributors to the war effort on Japans part. So the Commander in Chief and his Cabinet decided that this was the most effective thing to do! One other thing can a Admin. Person please shut this thread down? We should be ballin' not politicin'! Peace to all of you and remember to have fun every time you play! I know I do every time I pick up my Angel! You would too if you see it!

 

[pickaxeboy]

my last post ont his thread

i meant atom bomb, it was typo, and the link to the a-bombs and terrorism is that before the bombs were dropped nobody would have known quite what they would have done, and before the 9/11 would you have expected terrorists to do somehting that bad?

i know i didn't