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Collier

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I know what your saying, and its great for site owners and the like but I don't necessarily believe the best for the sport, I'm not saying ditch woodland sites for rec-ballers and walkon's and hell yeah even tournaments if thats your cup of tea, but I think as far as tournament paintball is concerned then sup is the way forward, better spectator sport, more likely to get TV coverage and then big name sponsers.

More sites with sup'air would allow for a greater number of sup'air tournaments thus putting the sport into the public eye and hopefully the above would become reality (TV etc, etc)

Didn't realise that tournament provided such a small percentage!

As I have said, 'Sup is a better spectator sport and more likely to get peoples interest into it, thus I think that is both better for the sport and allows the most room for growth

Paul
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rancid

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Yep, I think you're right: it is the best format for televising.

I think more sites though, doesn't necessarily mean more tournies - there just aint the people to fill em at the moment, therefore more effort back at grass roots to turn people on? Check out Jones the paint magnet's post earlier - I guess me and him are from the same era, we used to be able to play a tourny every week...seriously. From my point of view - and I have an industry interest - paintball in the uk is just coming out of a five or six year sleep and I've been encouraged and revitalized by the new blood I've seen on this board (hopefully that's not patronizing).

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Originally posted by rancid
Yep, I think you're right: it is the best format for televising.

I think more sites though, doesn't necessarily mean more tournies - there just aint the people to fill em at the moment, therefore more effort back at grass roots to turn people on? Check out Jones the paint magnet's post earlier - I guess me and him are from the same era, we used to be able to play a tourny every week...seriously. From my point of view - and I have an industry interest - paintball in the uk is just coming out of a five or six year sleep and I've been encouraged and revitalized by the new blood I've seen on this board (hopefully that's not patronizing).

hey, see you around.:)
Not patronizing at all!
:)

Its not really more tournies I'd like to see more off, just more sup air fields i.e. losing the woods :D. I understand the reasons promoters choose woodland sites for tournies, but if there was more already set up then as I said, more could be played on those fields whilst also bringing new blood in from the rec-scene through the existing woodland fields, having both woodland and 'sup would give greater choice as well.

I think on the whole we agree!
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Well, the two biggest barriers aren't field numbers, public image, or even perception, but much simpler but much deeper, far reaching, and difficult to solve in the UK:

Prices and longevity.

Paint prices really are at a level that cannot encourage expansion and barely affords existing levels of play. What?!? I can pretty much guarantee any company within the industry would read that last sentence and wonder how I dare question companies from manufacturing to importing to fields on their business decisions, but it's the truth really. When it costs as much as ten meals eaten out a pub to pay for one day's worth of paint, exactly who can afford to and is willing to spend that kind of money on it who isn't already playing? Nearly no one. Paintball expenditure falls in an odd demographic that lies in a very delicate balance: people who have enough money and are young enough, whether by age or just at heart, to want to play a sport like paintball and old and/or successful enough to make enough money to pay for it but aren't too old or too wealthy to want to do something else like say watch expensive sporting events, travel around a lot, buy a bigger house, or have kids or another kid if they already have some. The first mentioned will say they can't afford paintball because they don't have enough money to do anything like it, and the second will say they don't have enough money to play paintball because they already spend that much money or more on other things and don't have that much money left over, or consider themselves above something like paintball.

How do I know this? I study stuff like this for a living.

Secondly, the longevity of paintball players with the exception of the handfuls at the top isn't all that great. People who can focus on paintball either have friends and significant others that understand and/or participate in it or don't have much that competes for their time, money, and attention. If it isn't your life, it's either carefully worked into your life because of planning and understanding or not much else to do, or it simply doesn't work out. Ideally to stay in paintball a long time you either have to be single and working at a well paying job or involved with it at some business level, or have a very loving spouse that knows what you do and doesn't assume that when you have pink on your neck and $2000 less in your checkbook after the weekend that you've been off getting rough, intense workout sessions with a rather expensive prostitute. Professors (teachers, lecturers, whatever term applicable), parents on a budget, demanding jobs, mortgage payment collectors, and jealous girlfriends/wives are most often paintball's worst enemies.

I don't think anyone that knows much about paintball will tell you otherwise. And what's worse, other than politely asking certain companies to stop charging $1 for an 8 cent screw or $50 for a $5 bar of aluminum that happens to resemble a mount for a nitrogen tank that would cost $5 for anything else other than paintball, there aren't many solutions. That, lobbying efforts to lower taxes on paintball expenditures, and heavy recruiting efforts are what must be done before paintball will ever grow in the UK. You can take that to the bank.
 

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Originally posted by KillerOnion
Well, the two biggest barriers aren't field numbers, public image, or even perception, but much simpler but much deeper, far reaching, and difficult to solve in the UK:

Prices and longevity.

Paint prices really are at a level that cannot encourage expansion and barely affords existing levels of play. What?!? I can pretty much guarantee any company within the industry would read that last sentence and wonder how I dare question companies from manufacturing to importing to fields on their business decisions, but it's the truth really. When it costs as much as ten meals eaten out a pub to pay for one day's worth of paint, exactly who can afford to and is willing to spend that kind of money on it who isn't already playing? Nearly no one. Paintball expenditure falls in an odd demographic that lies in a very delicate balance: people who have enough money and are young enough, whether by age or just at heart, to want to play a sport like paintball and old and/or successful enough to make enough money to pay for it but aren't too old or too wealthy to want to do something else like say watch expensive sporting events, travel around a lot, buy a bigger house, or have kids or another kid if they already have some. The first mentioned will say they can't afford paintball because they don't have enough money to do anything like it, and the second will say they don't have enough money to play paintball because they already spend that much money or more on other things and don't have that much money left over, or consider themselves above something like paintball.

How do I know this? I study stuff like this for a living.

Secondly, the longevity of paintball players with the exception of the handfuls at the top isn't all that great. People who can focus on paintball either have friends and significant others that understand and/or participate in it or don't have much that competes for their time, money, and attention. If it isn't your life, it's either carefully worked into your life because of planning and understanding or not much else to do, or it simply doesn't work out. Ideally to stay in paintball a long time you either have to be single and working at a well paying job or involved with it at some business level, or have a very loving spouse that knows what you do and doesn't assume that when you have pink on your neck and $2000 less in your checkbook after the weekend that you've been off getting rough, intense workout sessions with a rather expensive prostitute. Professors (teachers, lecturers, whatever term applicable), parents on a budget, demanding jobs, mortgage payment collectors, and jealous girlfriends/wives are most often paintball's worst enemies.

I don't think anyone that knows much about paintball will tell you otherwise. And what's worse, other than politely asking certain companies to stop charging $1 for an 8 cent screw or $50 for a $5 bar of aluminum that happens to resemble a mount for a nitrogen tank that would cost $5 for anything else other than paintball, there aren't many solutions. That, lobbying efforts to lower taxes on paintball expenditures, and heavy recruiting efforts are what must be done before paintball will ever grow in the UK. You can take that to the bank.
Aye!

The other stuff doesn't help either though!

Paul

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well...

Ok, here's my story and some of the reasons why I think paintball is having a problem growing in the UK.

The 1st time I played paintball, like most people was at a woddlands site. I loved it and I wanted to take it up. I played a couple of rec ball games after that aswell.
After checking out a few things I realised that pro-paintball isn't anything like what I had played. I think we need woodlands sites, and lots of them, because that is what will bring new people into the sport. But I also think we need more sup-air feilds to show people the other side of paintball, and that it's not all ran bow wannabies(although that is what attratcts allot of people). Because unfortunately it seems to be the best kept secret in the sport.

I decided that I was gonna start playing paintball as a sport...but that to me now is still a novelty. It's not like any other sport where you can just go join a club and start playing. I live in London, and it is so hard to find or get to any good sup air sites. Maybe thats just me and bad luck going together, but I think we need to make more sup-air sites for this reason aswell. And make it less of a mission to find an actual team. Maybe have clubs where people, new and experienced can go, play, train, but all in one place, and then joining the sport would be allot easier.

After a year of trying to play paintball I still havn't played a single sup air game. Allot of it has to do with bad circumstances but it I have found it really hard. Almost everything I know about paintball is from forums like this. I've started to give up hope in ever playing paintball properly, and I know I'm not the only person this has happened to. If this saught of chain reaction carries on people are just going to loose intrest.

The closest I ever got to a tourny game was watching the campaign cup 2001

Basically I think paintball needs to be a more accesable sport to everyone, including kids.

And the expense of the sport is a majour deterant. The amount of money u can get charged for a mingey piece of metal or rubber that has been shaped nicley or comes in a pretty colour is pathetic.
 
hi guys I think you are all talking a lot of sense.

Rancid are you still pissed with me?

I spend my time educating the uninformed masses that paintball is safe supervised and organised and installing the consept that it is a sport.

The UKPSF figures show that an increasing number of people are picking up a marker and playing paintball.

As it stands a high persentage of these only play once, quite why this is I am not sure as to my knowledge no reserch has been done. Tourney players want tourney feilds but as you quite rightly say new young blood will come from customer paintball. These are the people who will over all buy more paint and help bring the price down.

The more good publicity paintball recives the more aware the general public will be and hopefully the higher persentage of 1st timers. All the resent Tv shows have helped even if it was not pure paintball it's in peoples frount rooms and faces. That has to be a good thing.

As a site we are keenly promoting the sport and often help local charities ( we will not be attending Ken's tourney but will be making a donation) We have also encoraged those new players who get hoocked, Lots of christmas guns coming down to site soon, Lots of happy new paintballers.

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There are definately less tournaments around now :( although there are fewer, larger events which is cool :)

Anyway - I don't agree with Killer Onion's first point - read this

I do agree with his second point about longevity of players - although most expensive/time consuming pastimes suffer the same fate.

I don't think there should be more more sup air fields or more woodland. what we really need are sites where there is both or at least a transition from the first time rec player to tournament level. Look at that Challenge Park Extreme - it's a site that offers progression for ballers - not go to this site until you are X good then go to this site to play with the big boys.
 

rancid

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Hey Beaker, why do we want to take a rec baller and turn him into tourny player? It's almost as though we're missionaries, and the poor recballer is the native who doesn't know what's good for him?

Like I said before, it's not as though we're anywhere near the majority here. Paintball will succeed without tourny players, but it doesn't stand a chance without casuals and recs. I know it's unpalatable, but it's fact.
 

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My point is twofold.

1) Progression -

You can go to somewhere like Challenge Park off the street never having played before and have a really great day. You can also go there and easily hold tournament which cater very well for a dedicated player. They are often held at the same time so first timers can see they aren't a breed apart from tourny players

At the moment we are just that - a breed apart. Look at all these comments about people not knowing what tournament ball is. That's becuase they have no idea, never seen it.

If we have sites which bridge that gap so first timers can see what the higher level of the sport is about then not only we will get more people interested and playing but we will KEEP them playing which is actually far more important from an industry perpective.

Surely you can see that giving firstimers a better understanding of what the sport can offer him off the bat is more likely to keep the £££ flowing !!!!! If you ask any site owner (Sparklie?) whether they would prefer to find 100 first timers every month and never come back or 50 people who play twice a month every month, I bet they would take the regular, consistent cash flow option. Unless we can offer some kind of progression - which to some people is getting into scenarios etc - the sport will never take advantange of it's position.

2) the issue of being a sport

Unless we can get people to see a progression in paintball we will never achieve the ideal of true recognition.

Look at just about ANY other bona fide sport. The lower levels play to the same rules/fields as the pros. At the moment the gap is so large it's way to them and us. We should not dis-own the fact that everyone of us started somewhere and try and bridge that gap.

Look at the strides that Toulouse and Campaign made to get recognition for paintball. non-players who saw it were enthused and excited. Unless sites can show them a taster (I am not talking about an all sup-air rental field!) of tourny ball we will always stay as the minority which you lament. But sites which can show them a great time but also what else MAY be instore if they want it will suceed FAR better than those which stick to your rule that we shouldn't offer rental customers the option of progression.

I am not saying we should preach tourney ball in principle. It just makes much more sense from every business angle, in terms of recognition, in terms of increasing the REGULAR customer base of paintball and not focusing on just bums behind barricades.

I have other points but can't be bothered to keep typing :)