Jay, chriz's assertion that the BBC is in the government's pocket is so absurd it borders on the ludicrous and tells me, this guy hasn't any form of handle on reality.
A real nutjob!
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Jay, chriz's assertion that the BBC is in the government's pocket is so absurd it borders on the ludicrous and tells me, this guy hasn't any form of handle on reality.
A real nutjob!
I dont see whats incorrect with it? Is it not true that majority of life ends or becomes dormant in the winter? Yeh i am an idiot, also ignorant and arrogant but so are both of you because what you say is in your eyes correct regardless of someone elses opinion?
I didnt say the way i think was correct or the right way to think what i said was different people like or think different things that is their choice as human being?
The quote about the BBC is in my eyes correct, people pay for a TV license to never watch TV and only watch say a dvd which they pay for anyways? Its like a forced tax, you have to pay even if you just own a tv otherwise you receive a big fine? The bbc is always having to pull shows because someone says no. I never even watched the BNP thing Buddah i have no interest in it however loads of politicians harped on and on that it should not be aired and ultimatly when it was it was a joke and changed its format, a format which has been the same since the very start of the show. Was that not letting people see what they wanted them to see instead of doing what they have done for years?
Thanks for your points though its something for me to think about
Edit:- I do however agree Buddha is correct and that they do make some really cracking wildlife progs etc, these progs are made on a much smaller budget then BBC news.
I didnt say the way i think was correct or the right way to think what i said was different people like or think different things that is their choice as human being?
The quote about the BBC is in my eyes correct, people pay for a TV license to never watch TV and only watch say a dvd which they pay for anyways? Its like a forced tax, you have to pay even if you just own a tv otherwise you receive a big fine? The bbc is always having to pull shows because someone says no. I never even watched the BNP thing Buddah i have no interest in it however loads of politicians harped on and on that it should not be aired and ultimatly when it was it was a joke and changed its format, a format which has been the same since the very start of the show. Was that not letting people see what they wanted them to see instead of doing what they have done for years?
Thanks for your points though its something for me to think about
Edit:- I do however agree Buddha is correct and that they do make some really cracking wildlife progs etc, these progs are made on a much smaller budget then BBC news.
I'm quite possibly arrogant and maybe even boorish but ignorant??I dont see whats incorrect with it? Is it not true that majority of life ends or becomes dormant in the winter? Yeh i am an idiot, also ignorant and arrogant but so are both of you because what you say is in your eyes correct regardless of someone elses opinion?
I didnt say the way i think was correct or the right way to think what i said was different people like or think different things that is their choice as human being?
The quote about the BBC is in my eyes correct, people pay for a TV license to never watch TV and only watch say a dvd which they pay for anyways? Its like a forced tax, you have to pay even if you just own a tv otherwise you receive a big fine? The bbc is always having to pull shows because someone says no. I never even watched the BNP thing Buddah i have no interest in it however loads of politicians harped on and on that it should not be aired and ultimatly when it was it was a joke and changed its format, a format which has been the same since the very start of the show. Was that not letting people see what they wanted them to see instead of doing what they have done for years?
Thanks for your points though its something for me to think about
Nah, my ego wouldn't allow that ..... I'll explain.
I am extremely aware of my position on this board and as such, I don't ever write anything that I am damned sure I haven't thought it thru ... very carefully.
But 'thinking thru' isn't always a guarantee of being right because emotions and prejudices can get in the way of a lucid post ...... I'm afraid this is what happened when you wrote that post above. ... it's absolutely riddled with errors.
I can of course, take a time out and completely disassemble what you wrote ... bit by bit... and as a consequence, expose your post as nothing more than an ignorant rant devoid of any recourse to rational thinking.
Try to think of it like this Chriz, you tell me 2+2=5, I take a different course and suggest 2+2=4 .... some people can then rightfully suggest that everybody is entitled to an opinion ..... and of course...you are !!
LOL, true, trust you to direct my attention to the one thing that was correct; let's hope he listens to what we are saying and he can then become a happier person because his post reeks of reactionary bull ..... mind you, a saying comes to mind ....' ignorance is bliss' .... on that basis, there's a lot of fackin happy people in the UK
I may have a different logic and think differently. I would never apologise for not thinking in the same way as others do. I feel well balanced, a person of strong mind and unafraid to speak out and question what i am being told is correct that does not make me a bad person.
Anyone who has ever met me will tell you that i have a genuine love of helping others especially those not as fortunate as myself without looking down on them or treating them without respect. I would quite happily carry someone elses burden if i believed it helped them in some way regardless of their flaws.
For you to question or rip apart someone else because you do not think the same way no matter how silly or rational is ignorant and arrogant, would you not agree? Maybe not my posts in specific but in general.
I have never questioned or attacked your posts? I have tried to understand them. I have never questioned your integrity or intelligence infact i would aspire to live upto some of what you say in hope it would make me a better person.
One thing i do believe is incorrect is that i have emotion on a subject, this is quite simply untrue. I wouldnt let my vices spill out onto a internet forum because i dont believe thats the place for it, question their way of thinking yes, tell them how they think is wrong no. I do however enjoy reading what other people think on subjects and once again use this for self reflection which i dont think is such a bad thing.
I never try and tell anyone what they say is incorrect only that i feel differently and explain why.
Thank you for allowing me the right to my own opinion however wrong you see it. I guess i am incorrect to most or everyone however i dont feel that wrong that i wish to change that much. Maybe you are correct and i am a total idiot, i wont lose any sleep, my life hasnt ended and i havent influenced anyone else enough to feel i have done damage to them.
You are both obviously intelligent people, i have no problem with that, thats why i like your posts so much. I have on many occasions confessed to be as thick as sh!t. I think maybe if your so intelligent then you would humour what a thicko says as apose to single it out and exploit it.
I believe i did not "rant" i just expressed an option incorrectly, strangely the thread was created as a "rant" and has went off course.
All that i asks is that you do not judge me because of lack of intelligence, i am still a human after all. Would you judge someone because they had a different religion or ethnic origin or were brought up differently then yourself and not had the same start in life that you have? Is that not racist or bias and unethical? I think this is the problem with my posts. Because i was not educated to the same standards as yourselves i can be judged for it as a person for it? I do not have the intelligence to see things in the same way or cannot put in writing what i actually mean therefore i am ridiculed for it?
Anyways no big issue thank you for even bothering to take the time to reply to my silly, idiotic, unfounded, ridiculous, incorrect, misspelt posts.
Anyone who has ever met me will tell you that i have a genuine love of helping others especially those not as fortunate as myself without looking down on them or treating them without respect. I would quite happily carry someone elses burden if i believed it helped them in some way regardless of their flaws.
For you to question or rip apart someone else because you do not think the same way no matter how silly or rational is ignorant and arrogant, would you not agree? Maybe not my posts in specific but in general.
I have never questioned or attacked your posts? I have tried to understand them. I have never questioned your integrity or intelligence infact i would aspire to live upto some of what you say in hope it would make me a better person.
One thing i do believe is incorrect is that i have emotion on a subject, this is quite simply untrue. I wouldnt let my vices spill out onto a internet forum because i dont believe thats the place for it, question their way of thinking yes, tell them how they think is wrong no. I do however enjoy reading what other people think on subjects and once again use this for self reflection which i dont think is such a bad thing.
I never try and tell anyone what they say is incorrect only that i feel differently and explain why.
Thank you for allowing me the right to my own opinion however wrong you see it. I guess i am incorrect to most or everyone however i dont feel that wrong that i wish to change that much. Maybe you are correct and i am a total idiot, i wont lose any sleep, my life hasnt ended and i havent influenced anyone else enough to feel i have done damage to them.
You are both obviously intelligent people, i have no problem with that, thats why i like your posts so much. I have on many occasions confessed to be as thick as sh!t. I think maybe if your so intelligent then you would humour what a thicko says as apose to single it out and exploit it.
I believe i did not "rant" i just expressed an option incorrectly, strangely the thread was created as a "rant" and has went off course.
All that i asks is that you do not judge me because of lack of intelligence, i am still a human after all. Would you judge someone because they had a different religion or ethnic origin or were brought up differently then yourself and not had the same start in life that you have? Is that not racist or bias and unethical? I think this is the problem with my posts. Because i was not educated to the same standards as yourselves i can be judged for it as a person for it? I do not have the intelligence to see things in the same way or cannot put in writing what i actually mean therefore i am ridiculed for it?
Anyways no big issue thank you for even bothering to take the time to reply to my silly, idiotic, unfounded, ridiculous, incorrect, misspelt posts.
I may have a different logic and think differently. I would never apologise for not thinking in the same way as others do. I feel well balanced, a person of strong mind and unafraid to speak out and question what i am being told is correct that does not make me a bad person.
Anyone who has ever met me will tell you that i have a genuine love of helping others especially those not as fortunate as myself without looking down on them or treating them without respect. I would quite happily carry someone elses burden if i believed it helped them in some way regardless of their flaws.
For you to question or rip apart someone else because you do not think the same way no matter how silly or rational is ignorant and arrogant, would you not agree? Maybe not my posts in specific but in general.
I have never questioned or attacked your posts? I have tried to understand them. I have never questioned your integrity or intelligence infact i would aspire to live upto some of what you say in hope it would make me a better person.
One thing i do believe is incorrect is that i have emotion on a subject, this is quite simply untrue. I wouldnt let my vices spill out onto a internet forum because i dont believe thats the place for it, question their way of thinking yes, tell them how they think is wrong no. I do however enjoy reading what other people think on subjects and once again use this for self reflection which i dont think is such a bad thing.
I never try and tell anyone what they say is incorrect only that i feel differently and explain why.
Thank you for allowing me the right to my own opinion however wrong you see it. I guess i am incorrect to most or everyone however i dont feel that wrong that i wish to change that much. Maybe you are correct and i am a total idiot, i wont lose any sleep, my life hasnt ended and i havent influenced anyone else enough to feel i have done damage to them.
You are both obviously intelligent people, i have no problem with that, thats why i like your posts so much. I have on many occasions confessed to be as thick as sh!t. I think maybe if your so intelligent then you would humour what a thicko says as apose to single it out and exploit it.
I believe i did not "rant" i just expressed an option incorrectly, strangely the thread was created as a "rant" and has went off course.
All that i asks is that you do not judge me because of lack of intelligence, i am still a human after all. Would you judge someone because they had a different religion or ethnic origin or were brought up differently then yourself and not had the same start in life that you have? Is that not racist or bias and unethical? I think this is the problem with my posts. Because i was not educated to the same standards as yourselves i can be judged for it as a person for it? I do not have the intelligence to see things in the same way or cannot put in writing what i actually mean therefore i am ridiculed for it?
Anyways no big issue thank you for even bothering to take the time to reply to my silly, idiotic, unfounded, ridiculous, incorrect, misspelt posts.
The part where you talked about the BBC is totally wrong.
First off, there is no love lost between the BBC and the government.
Compared to a commercial station where they have to be aware of present and future sponsors, the BBC is much more focused on the audience.
The BBC is accountable, not to the Government but to the people who pay the license fee.
Of course that means a few Mary Whitehouses are going to spoil it for the rest of us. That will continue to happen as long as certain people have nothing better to do.
What we are left with is far more honest and more focused on what we actually want to see than a commercial station which is focused on profits.
The BBC is unique in the whole world pretty much, for that reason.
Point taken however we are FORCED to pay for it even if we never watch it, this is what my point was. Legislation says we must pay regardless. As stated all i ever watch on TV is Jezza and The Bill, both of which are on a free channel however i am forced to pay for these channels without using them.
It is like another tax would you not agree? The BBC has been subject to many a scandal all of which does not really interst me, the only bit that does is that i must pay for something i will not use which i believe is unfair.
I recently cancelled my home land line as every single month i received a blank statement as i always use my mobile. There is no option to watch only free channels or indeed sky channels which you pay a separate company for. That is my major problem with the BBC why can they not encrypt the channels and ask for payment if you want to watch them instead of forced legislation that dictates you must pay? Some people may not ever watch tv however they like watching a DVD which of course they have to pay for but still have to pay this fee for no reason?
Anyways the thread has gone way off track... i am wrong as always no probs
Chriz,
First off, my apologies. Reading back, my post is a little more harsh than I intended. While I stick to my points, it was not my intention to call you stupid, which it seams I do in my post.
I will concede that yes, it is a bit weird you have to pay for something you might not use. Holland is the same (sorry John, the BBC isn't as unique you thought, we operate on pretty much the same basis) in that as soon as you own a television, you have to pay the fee. Even if you never took it out of the box.
But seriously, the amount of money involved is small. And it is well worth it, since it means that there is a future for a broadcaster that cares for more than just ratings and is willing to represent your nations culture and even educate people about it, sometimes seriously, sometimes through comedy.
Do you think that a commercial station would have ever considered giving Monty Python a chance?
So basically you are paying for the preservation of your culture and not have it degenerate into txt spk hell, with the greatest goal in life being getting sh*gged by a transexual on Big Brother.
Here in Holland the only difference is that there isn't one single national broadcaster that gets paid that way. There are a number of them and they get alloted airtime and a grant from the fee paid by television owners in ratio to the number of members they have. You can become a member of these broadcasting "movements", indicating you support what they stand for.
These movements (for lack of a better word) represent different sides of the Dutch culture and community. For instance, there is one that is very Christian and they find their membership in strongly protestant circles. Then there are the more generally family orientated ones, and so on. There is even one that caters mostly to old folks.
This guarantees that there is something for everybody on the channels that you don't have to subscribe to, their news (which is done by a governing body, not one of these movements) is non-biased, and that's a good thing. It guarantees that all kids get a chance to see Sesame Street, not just the ones that have parents willing to pay, it guarantees that your grandma doesn't get bombarded with Paris Hilton's Next BFF and so on.
As far as the discussion went and your right to your own opinion, sure, you are entitled to it. But all that I wrote above isn't opinion, it's fact. Huge difference.
I don't like a lot of the stuff that gets broadcast on these channels, but I'm glad they exist. In the same way that you must have restaurants with Michelin stars as well as McDonald's. It would suck if there was only McDonald's.
First off, my apologies. Reading back, my post is a little more harsh than I intended. While I stick to my points, it was not my intention to call you stupid, which it seams I do in my post.
I will concede that yes, it is a bit weird you have to pay for something you might not use. Holland is the same (sorry John, the BBC isn't as unique you thought, we operate on pretty much the same basis) in that as soon as you own a television, you have to pay the fee. Even if you never took it out of the box.
But seriously, the amount of money involved is small. And it is well worth it, since it means that there is a future for a broadcaster that cares for more than just ratings and is willing to represent your nations culture and even educate people about it, sometimes seriously, sometimes through comedy.
Do you think that a commercial station would have ever considered giving Monty Python a chance?
So basically you are paying for the preservation of your culture and not have it degenerate into txt spk hell, with the greatest goal in life being getting sh*gged by a transexual on Big Brother.
Here in Holland the only difference is that there isn't one single national broadcaster that gets paid that way. There are a number of them and they get alloted airtime and a grant from the fee paid by television owners in ratio to the number of members they have. You can become a member of these broadcasting "movements", indicating you support what they stand for.
These movements (for lack of a better word) represent different sides of the Dutch culture and community. For instance, there is one that is very Christian and they find their membership in strongly protestant circles. Then there are the more generally family orientated ones, and so on. There is even one that caters mostly to old folks.
This guarantees that there is something for everybody on the channels that you don't have to subscribe to, their news (which is done by a governing body, not one of these movements) is non-biased, and that's a good thing. It guarantees that all kids get a chance to see Sesame Street, not just the ones that have parents willing to pay, it guarantees that your grandma doesn't get bombarded with Paris Hilton's Next BFF and so on.
As far as the discussion went and your right to your own opinion, sure, you are entitled to it. But all that I wrote above isn't opinion, it's fact. Huge difference.
I don't like a lot of the stuff that gets broadcast on these channels, but I'm glad they exist. In the same way that you must have restaurants with Michelin stars as well as McDonald's. It would suck if there was only McDonald's.
Yeah I would agree that taxes you cant 'opt out' of are annoying.Point taken however we are FORCED to pay for it even if we never watch it, this is what my point was. Legislation says we must pay regardless. As stated all i ever watch on TV is Jezza and The Bill, both of which are on a free channel however i am forced to pay for these channels without using them.
It is like another tax would you not agree? The BBC has been subject to many a scandal all of which does not really interst me, the only bit that does is that i must pay for something i will not use which i believe is unfair.
I recently cancelled my home land line as every single month i received a blank statement as i always use my mobile. There is no option to watch only free channels or indeed sky channels which you pay a separate company for. That is my major problem with the BBC why can they not encrypt the channels and ask for payment if you want to watch them instead of forced legislation that dictates you must pay? Some people may not ever watch tv however they like watching a DVD which of course they have to pay for but still have to pay this fee for no reason?
Anyways the thread has gone way off track... i am wrong as always no probs
Its really a subject for another thread but I would argue a lot of taxes should be optional.
For instance council tax.
If we had the option of not paying to get our bins collected, it would be great.
Private companies could offer that service and you can bet they would be more efficient than the public ones.
Secondly, why do I get a demand for national insurance every three months? Which threatens imprisonment if I dont pay it.
I dont really use the health service. It eats up a lot of our nations wealth with its inefficiency.
When I become very ill I plan to climb inside one of my tapered column speakers and die quietly. So why should I pay?
By the way Im sorta playing devils advocate here to illustrate my point.
I wouldnt dream of spoiling my tapered column speakers in such a way.