Hired Guns--Redux

[Baca Loco]

Let me begin by saying I have no issues whatsoever with the "Hired Guns" publicized in Ledz's post over in A,C & Q. The way I look at it as long as you keep your foul habits confined to your island home it's no concern of civilized peeps elsewhere.

But--isn't this whole hired guns things really just another way of saying bring in our professional ringers for those occasions when you absolutely, positively need those extra event points? Reason I ask is 'cus it seems to me that there've been more than a few threads raging at such practices as a subset of the dreaded sandbagging--and everyone knows how despicable that is!

If someone could clarify this for me I'd appreciate it greatly.

 

[duffistuta]

Are they not in reality no better than door-to-door salesmen for Planet and Piper...Paintball an extreme sport? Ha - they are marketing gimps, suits without the decency to wear suits.

By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself. Thank you, thank you. Just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day they'll take root. I don't know. You try. You do what you can. Kill yourselves. Seriously though, if you are, do. No really, there's no rationalisation for what you do, and you are Satan's little helpers, OK? Kill yourselves, seriously. You're the ruiner of all things good. Seriously, no, this is not a joke. "There's gonna be a joke coming..." There's no ****ing joke coming, you are Satan's spawn, filling the world with bile and garbage, you are ****ed and you are ****ing us, kill yourselves, it's the only way to save your ****ing soul. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself now.





Sorry, what was the question again?

 

[Beaker]

Originally posted by duffistuta
By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself. Thank you, thank you. Just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day they'll take root. I don't know. You try. You do what you can. Kill yourselves. Seriously though, if you are, do. No really, there's no rationalisation for what you do, and you are Satan's little helpers, OK? Kill yourselves, seriously. You're the ruiner of all things good. Seriously, no, this is not a joke. "There's gonna be a joke coming..." There's no ****ing joke coming, you are Satan's spawn, filling the world with bile and garbage, you are ****ed and you are ****ing us, kill yourselves, it's the only way to save your ****ing soul. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself now.

^^^ what Bill said

 

[Baca Loco]

Wow! Nearly 60 views in less than an hour and nobody is willing to go on record with an opinion or a view?

EDIT ADDED: Ok, so Beaks snuck one in but . . . still. It's mighty quiet out there.

 

[Piper]

Originally posted by duffistuta

By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself.

Yeah Robbo!

 

[booga]

The spirit of Hicks lives on!
On topic though I think there's probably a split in the balling community between those who are outraged by sandbaggers and ringers in local tournys and those who really don't care.
In my eyes having ringers in small domestic tournys (training days) is fine, the tougher the competion the better.
If a team feels the need to pay people to play for them in tournys maybe they should consider more training instead, or better yet hire these guys to come down for a training day and really get some benefit for their money.

 

[Beaker]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Wow! Nearly 60 views in less than an hour and nobody is willing to go on record with an opinion or a view?

So what you're saying is Planet is promoting sandbagging at tournament, not training - but rather going out and get a result through buying a pro or 3 and generally trying to give the "gun" guys free paintball while marketting Planet.

That's what you're saying isn't it

Interesting Mr Bond...interesting

 

[LATHAM]

Sup guys.

Seeing is I'm one of the offenders i thought I'd try and defend myself and the Guns For Hire.

The point isn't to just go out and win for these so called lesser teams. Just this last weekend we played with a very good UK am team at a local tournament in their A bracket. As far as I know no-one was outraged and to be honest we didn't even take first place (missed out be 6 points, doh!). Now I know the 3 guys on the Guns For Hire were considered pro last year in EXL cos we all played for Shock, but we decided the pro life required to much commitment for us. Now does that mean that I can never play paintball again, or should i be allowed to drop down and just play for kicks?

I know we are pitching this to the whole paintball community in the UK but it's not so we can go out and rape div c teams. The idea is to go and help these teams to improve. To help them walk fields, even tell them what walking a field is, to help their playing style, etc etc . Ok so we will play for these teams but not as point players. I certainly, in the lower div's will not be doing 5 man runthroughs. Yes in div a i'm not going to hold back but what is a team in div b/c gonna learn if we go out and kill everyone for em?

The UK scene is very different from the US. Over here players don't often get to see pro's play. Nexus's, Shocks and Tigers training is often a closed affair and non of them play any of the local events. The gap here between pro and am is getting wider by the minute and we thought this could be a way of putting something back into the sport. Ok so were gonna make a small charge of entrance fee but i feel like were worth it!

As far as were concerned the best thing someone can do is to hire us for a training day one weekend then take us along to a comp the week after so we can get them to put everything into effect. I know some people will see this a 'sandbagging' but we are available for hire to any team that wants to learn.

Oh and thanks for the topic, any publicity is good publicity!

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Beaker
So what you're saying is Planet is promoting sandbagging at tournament, not training - but rather going out and get a result through buying a pro or 3 and generally trying to give the "gun" guys free paintball while marketting Planet.

That's what you're saying isn't it

Interesting Mr Bond...interesting

Am I? I thought I was simply asking the question posed in my original post. Now that you bring it up however . . . Seems fairly clever guerilla marketing tactics to me.

Ledz saidThe first outing of the Guns For Hire was last weekend where they strutted their stuff with the EgoTronics team at the first leg of the Series 2005 event at Ancaster. The team was undefeated all day and took the overall winners trophy with Chris Latham also picking up the Player of the Day award to boot (according to Al it was a mistake and it was in fact Al that was the best).

This weekend will see them helping out the Inferno boys at the first leg of this years Midland Masters. If your there go and have a chat with them, ask them to shoot the Ego, they love the attention.

 

[dan0011]

Originally posted by LATHAM


The UK scene is very different from the US. Over here players don't often get to see pro's play. Nexus's, Shocks and Tigers training is often a closed affair and non of them play any of the local events. The gap here between pro and am is getting wider by the minute and we thought this could be a way of putting something back into the sport.

so really you are saints trying to help the uk paintball scene

ok

fine

whatever