So you'd make folks who didn't wanna do it, do it wouldya?
Goddamned facist - go off and join tha Arnie Party buddy, cos your ass is banned!
Goddamned facist - go off and join tha Arnie Party buddy, cos your ass is banned!
Hey TJ, How's the new guv'nor?
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Politicians the World over tend to be crap.
...I'll have you know I'm a "failed politician" given that the only time I ever stood for public office (City Council) I lost
Unfortunately the political process is only as good as the electorate and the electorate is frighteningly ignorant for the most part. In a representative democracy you get the politicians you deserve.Originally posted by manike
Believe it or not, I've sometimes thought that if I ever became ludicrously independently wealthy (yea I know
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and thus the only people that hope to make politicians are holier than though geeky idiots (I'm just missing the holier than though part...). And even most of them have some issues.
I'll accept "geeky" and "idiot" but accusing me of being a "politician" is inaccurate...
...I'll have you know I'm a "failed politician" given that the only time I ever stood for public office (City Council) I lost
Nope my comment on the electorate is based on the reasons given for voting a certain way by people when you go around canvassing them at elections
I can only speak of the UK but most people have little idea what the policies are of the party they vote for. Also a disturbingly high percentage think that the government can just "print more money" in order to pay for improved services
To be honest though I've also met a goodly number of politicians (from all three main UK parties) who were so dense that light would bend around them
As for my failed attempt at politics... frankly I wouldn't have been a very good Councillor anyway
All American children are told as a part of our schooling that anyone can grow up to be president. Then we see this and we start to believe it.
Keep in mind an "ex" professional Wrestler became the govenor of Minnesota too. That didn't last long, thankfully. Arnie as Cali gov. just kinda makes it complete with the "Weird year" thing.
-Tyger
Keep in mind an "ex" professional Wrestler became the govenor of Minnesota too. That didn't last long, thankfully. Arnie as Cali gov. just kinda makes it complete with the "Weird year" thing.
-Tyger
Hey, who else was in that movie, "Predator," anyway? Is there any money to be made betting on future political races?
TJ, urban's point isn't necessarily fascist. You could do a lottery, make it sort of like jury duty: "Oh, man, I got drafted to the Senate." "Don't worry, dude, just say you are a racist or a pedophile and you'll get out of it"
TJ, urban's point isn't necessarily fascist. You could do a lottery, make it sort of like jury duty: "Oh, man, I got drafted to the Senate." "Don't worry, dude, just say you are a racist or a pedophile and you'll get out of it"
Hey, don't get involved you goddamned commie - that's it, you're banned too. Who else wants some?
I'll ban tha whole ****in' village man...
I'll ban tha whole ****in' village man...
Interestingly that would be bringing Democracy back to its roots as that was pretty much how it was done in Ancient Athens 2500 years ago
Only problem with this idea is the same as with Juries. If you choose leaders by lot then every so often by random chance you get a group of complete cretins making decisions that drastically effect somebodies (or everybodies) life... admittedly however a good percentage of our current legislators are already complete cretins
As for getting out of it [Homer Simpson] "Just say you're prejudiced against all races" [/Homer Simpson]
I'm a facist? Sorry???.. and you'd even mention banning me for a difference of opinion.. pot.. kettle.. black.Originally posted by TJ Lambini
So you'd make folks who didn't wanna do it, do it wouldya?
Goddamned facist - go off and join tha Arnie Party buddy, cos your ass is banned!
My point is that anyone who actually wants power doesn't usually want it for benevolent, benificial reasons. The only difference they really want to make is to themselves. Don't forget the first rule of politics.. stay in power whatever!
Most politicians, as a rule of thumb in my opinion, would put their own personal desires over those of the country if the situation arose..
Urban
Everybody does everything for selfish reasons. Even those who are seen as benevolent only commit seemingly "selfless" acts because of the feeling of well-being it engenders or the personal pain/ angst that would result if they did not. Freewill is largely a myth... we are the product of our genes and upbringing
There are very few politicians who are interested in power for its own sake, most just see it as a means to an end.
Gross generalisation. Many only behave in what may seem at first glance to be ammoral ways because they think the end justifies the means. Lots of them go native and corrupt but that doesn't mean that's true for the majority. They just play the game and the rules are just like Machiavelli said they were (ie non-existant)
The halls of power are full of patriotic idealists. They just end up acting like a***holes because of the realities of modern politics in which money, power and media interests speak louder than the people
Just my €0.02 (and I apologise for the Political crap)