Help from french people needed...

[Wadidiz]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, welcome back

Originally posted by Hotpoint
Your case is not even remotely valid considering the reasons why these countries speak the languages they do is because of colonisation by, or migration from, the original countries where these languages developed

English originated in England as French did in France. That is a very different situation than the reason why Portugese is spoken in Brazil

The Brazilian exception doesn't make the rule. But it all supports my point. We speak English in America. Dictionaries and linguists call it American English and compare it with British English. There is Canadian French and Mexican Spanish etcetera. Nobody refers to the Spanish Mexicans speak as simply Mexican. That would be confusing. And you can't call the Swedish spoken by the Swedish-speaking minority in Finland Finnish. That would really be confusing. It is call Finland-Swedish technically, but in everyday language we would just say that it is a Finn who speaks Swedish as his everyday language.

Steve

 

[Wadidiz]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, welcome back

Originally posted by Cube
English by every air traffic controller in the world!

Oh except the French!

and the buggers insist on using meters rather than feet.....bloody irresponsible that is.

The French, in this case, are probably the only logical ones of all. The English measurement system should have been flushed a long time ago. It is so flipping archaic and non-intuitive! And now the only country that holds on to it consistently is America and we have to force the **** on air traffic controllers? How ridiculous! That is a major albatross around our necks hung on by Brits. At least the EU is forcing the Brits to get rid of that asinine conservatism.

Steve

 

[Hotpoint]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, welcome back

Originally posted by Wadidiz
... American English and compare it with British English.

"British English" is typically only called that by Americans. Whilst "Canadian-French" is frequently referred to, you don't hear of "French-French" because the latter is true French not a regional dialect

By the same logic there is true English (as spoken in England) and various dialects of "hyphenated" English

 

[Smally85]

The man...

... has a valid point! The original language say French, is called French wheras the regional version spoken in say Canada gets called Canadian-French. Which goes to show that ENGLISH from ENGLAND is the basis of AMERICAN-ENGLISH!

 

[Wadidiz]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, welcome back

Originally posted by Hotpoint
"British English" is typically only called that by Americans. Whilst "Canadian-French" is frequently referred to, you don't hear of "French-French" because the latter is true French not a regional dialect

By the same logic there is true English (as spoken in England) and various dialects of "hyphenated" English

Sorry, you have all of scholarship going against you. In the dictionaries and grammar books I use, which are mostly published in the UK, there is often discussion of the differences between "British English" and "American English" (I have an example here in front of me: English Grammar in Use by Raymond Murphy, Cambridge University Press, page 282). Of course you're right that in everyday language how you refer to a difference in usage will depend on who and/or where you are. If I say "fortnight" or "tannoy" in America and get a strange look then I might explain that to be British English. And the reverse is true in the UK.

Give up. You will have a hard time bull****ting or winning an argument against an American who thinks he know it all!

Steve

 

[Wadidiz]

The man...

Originally posted by Smally85
... has a valid point! The original language say French, is called French wheras the regional version spoken in say Canada gets called Canadian-French. Which goes to show that ENGLISH from ENGLAND is the basis of AMERICAN-ENGLISH!

Canadian French is a technical designation. Most people will just say they speak French. Everybody in the world, with the exception I suppose of the brilliant people I'm chatting with, say that we speak English. (But most people in America have a kind of awe for educated-sounding British English. It might give you an advantage there if you are just careful not to show your teeth! )

Steve

 

[Hotpoint]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, welcome back

Originally posted by Wadidiz
Sorry, you have all of scholarship going against you. In the dictionaries and grammar books I use, which are mostly published in the UK, there is often discussion of the differences between "British English" and "American English"

You're arguing linguistics. I'm arguing common usage, technically from a linguists point of view I'm speaking RP English (Received Pronunciation) but nobody really calls it that

Anyway given the reality that you and your countrymen don't call what you speak "American English" but rather just "English" I'm afraid your argument from scholarship is on dodgy ground

Originally posted by Wadidiz
Give up. You will have a hard time bull****ting or winning an argument against an American who thinks he know it all!
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All Americans appear to think they know it all and I never give up on an argument because I almost invariably win in the end through sheer persistance, logic and bloody-mindedness

As for "Bull****ting" that's not my style

 

[Fab81]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Maestro, welcome back

Originally posted by Wadidiz
The French, in this case, are probably the only logical ones of all. The English measurement system should have been flushed a long time ago. It is so flipping archaic and non-intuitive! And now the only country that holds on to it consistently is America and we have to force the **** on air traffic controllers? How ridiculous! That is a major albatross around our necks hung on by Brits. At least the EU is forcing the Brits to get rid of that asinine conservatism.

Steve

Yes, why Brits and American continue to use a measurement system completly archaic...
Im glad that we use the international measurement system in France, at least physics, mecanics are simpler...you don't have to do mad unit conversion. And this system is based on a rationnal scientific model, not on the size of my foot .

 

[Mark]

All getting way to heavy !!!


Anyone got a fag I can bum?

 

[rancid]

Eh? What the fuk's going on? What is it, BBC weirdo night?