Gypsies and paintball
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Hi Pete, I have been thinking about a reply to the above quote, not entirely sure if i'm there yet but here we go.
My admiration of some of their traits were based on their not using foul language (or discouraging it) the fact they look after their own as one big family.
as for everything else, well i believe as long as it doesnt offend/cause problems for other people then people are free to do as they wish, when it starts to inpinge on other peoples lives etc then it needs questioning.
and i have lived next to gypsies in the past and to be fair they really werent that bad, they built a small gated caravan community and eventualy did so legally after buying the land (its still there today) and many of them worked in the local communities on farms etc etc. other than that i carnt say i personally had a problem.
but thats me. I am not saying i agree with the way the behave or anything as per the referred tv show, infact i think the grabbing,sexism and lack of education dismal.
Hey Rat,
I have had quite a lot of experience with gypsies and my opinions are based upon the majority and as such, I am pretty sure there are instances of gypsies not swearing [or whatever moral behaviour you may choose to look at] but I have found this is not representative in any way.
The way I see things is this ... people tend to moan when things are wrong ... something happens which then causes a reaction ... and with this in mind, the question has to be asked, why do so many seemingly reasonable people negatively comment when gypsies descend [generally quite illegally] on land that is local to these people? ... These people ain't moaning coz the gypsies are being nice ....
I have had quite a lot of experience with gypsies and my opinions are based upon the majority and as such, I am pretty sure there are instances of gypsies not swearing [or whatever moral behaviour you may choose to look at] but I have found this is not representative in any way.
The way I see things is this ... people tend to moan when things are wrong ... something happens which then causes a reaction ... and with this in mind, the question has to be asked, why do so many seemingly reasonable people negatively comment when gypsies descend [generally quite illegally] on land that is local to these people? ... These people ain't moaning coz the gypsies are being nice ....
Gotta be honest here, after watching the show (thanks for the link bamb) I have softened my opinions, a little, on the travellers.
They are still, in general, thieving scumbags, but it seems they do have some admirable values to go along with their total disrespect for the laws of the land.
They also have some incredibly slutty looking teenage girls, who, it turns out, are actually less slutty than the average brit-chick (but holy-hell, do they dress like sluts.)
That gypsy fighter looked well-hard too. Loved the way they have 2 types of fights, the 'fair-go', and the 'dirty-down', and how he tries to eat parts of his opponents during the dirty-down, so they they can't sew them back on again....
They are still, in general, thieving scumbags, but it seems they do have some admirable values to go along with their total disrespect for the laws of the land.
They also have some incredibly slutty looking teenage girls, who, it turns out, are actually less slutty than the average brit-chick (but holy-hell, do they dress like sluts.)
That gypsy fighter looked well-hard too. Loved the way they have 2 types of fights, the 'fair-go', and the 'dirty-down', and how he tries to eat parts of his opponents during the dirty-down, so they they can't sew them back on again....
never thought of alerting everybody to this when i first seen it, but i can totally relate to how that siteowner feels.
there's nothing more unsatisfying than having to chuck someone off the field for this, especially when its for things like bday parties etc. where it ruins the day for those that want to enjoy themselves.
almost as disgusted by this as the time i was good enough to watch a group of young boys by myself, and when i took them off the field for a break, while i was fixing guns etc on the field they thought it was a good idea to get into the staff area and steal money from my wallet.
however they were kind enough to smile for CCTV, and sign a waiver leaving me their names addresses and phone numbers
there's nothing more unsatisfying than having to chuck someone off the field for this, especially when its for things like bday parties etc. where it ruins the day for those that want to enjoy themselves.
almost as disgusted by this as the time i was good enough to watch a group of young boys by myself, and when i took them off the field for a break, while i was fixing guns etc on the field they thought it was a good idea to get into the staff area and steal money from my wallet.
however they were kind enough to smile for CCTV, and sign a waiver leaving me their names addresses and phone numbers
A while back my opinion on all this was asked, sorry it took me a while.
Right, my take on this...
Even though Holland doesn't have pikeys/gypsies in the same way that you do, their behavior sounds similar to some groups we have over here. We have a group of people known as "kampers", campers in English.
Most of them live in a semi-mobile home, are avid mullet fans and if your car has gone missing, chances are that it ended up near them. They are well known as dodgy second hand carsalesmen and are bound to rip you off on any deal they do. They are famous for their taxdodging, weed plantations, thieving kids and stealing electricity from their neighbors. Usually, if there is a camp nearby and a barfight breaks out, they are involved. Oh, and none of them fight fair, mano a mano. In fact, if a fight doesn't go their way, they tend to be quite cowardly. And every time the police raids a camp, no matter how much illegal sh*t they uncover, these people will assume the role of the victim.
Now this isn't a racial thing. Kampers are as white as the avarage Dutchmen, but it definitely is a cultural trait. Their behavior isn't part of what is considered normal Dutch culture, but they form a culture of their own, wherein they raise their kids to find certain things completely acceptable. So they grow up thinking that whatever they do is totally normal, which is, I guess, the reason they show such outrage when some of them get arrested.
It is, in a sense, the basic form of society. The camps are usually run by a patriarchal figure and they impose their will upon those around them through strength and shows of force, in the same way that packs of dogs do. It seems that for some reason, society failed to include them in the lessons when it was determined that certain things were no longer acceptable. Does this mean that society is to blame for what they do? Off course not! They live too near (in the middle of in fact!) to the rest of the world to be able to claim ignorance. It can be argued that, much like a child that is raised by strictly religious parents will in turn have a very large chance of being religious itself, their children grow up to think that what they do is normal, since this is what their parents tought them. But like with religion, there are always children that "see the light" and decide to live differently. So your upbringing might explain your behavior, it is NEVER and excuse.
Right, my take on this...
Even though Holland doesn't have pikeys/gypsies in the same way that you do, their behavior sounds similar to some groups we have over here. We have a group of people known as "kampers", campers in English.
Most of them live in a semi-mobile home, are avid mullet fans and if your car has gone missing, chances are that it ended up near them. They are well known as dodgy second hand carsalesmen and are bound to rip you off on any deal they do. They are famous for their taxdodging, weed plantations, thieving kids and stealing electricity from their neighbors. Usually, if there is a camp nearby and a barfight breaks out, they are involved. Oh, and none of them fight fair, mano a mano. In fact, if a fight doesn't go their way, they tend to be quite cowardly. And every time the police raids a camp, no matter how much illegal sh*t they uncover, these people will assume the role of the victim.
Now this isn't a racial thing. Kampers are as white as the avarage Dutchmen, but it definitely is a cultural trait. Their behavior isn't part of what is considered normal Dutch culture, but they form a culture of their own, wherein they raise their kids to find certain things completely acceptable. So they grow up thinking that whatever they do is totally normal, which is, I guess, the reason they show such outrage when some of them get arrested.
It is, in a sense, the basic form of society. The camps are usually run by a patriarchal figure and they impose their will upon those around them through strength and shows of force, in the same way that packs of dogs do. It seems that for some reason, society failed to include them in the lessons when it was determined that certain things were no longer acceptable. Does this mean that society is to blame for what they do? Off course not! They live too near (in the middle of in fact!) to the rest of the world to be able to claim ignorance. It can be argued that, much like a child that is raised by strictly religious parents will in turn have a very large chance of being religious itself, their children grow up to think that what they do is normal, since this is what their parents tought them. But like with religion, there are always children that "see the light" and decide to live differently. So your upbringing might explain your behavior, it is NEVER and excuse.
I might not do myself any friends but I haven't seen any people called gispies in the UK which were really gipsies,
they are "just" people leaving outside the society, uneducated scavenger not doing anything usefull, preferring to take rather than to earn.
I have seen lot of gipsies leaving in their caravan in lot of european country where I haven't had any problems with.
It could be good to make a difference between chavs and gipsies.
A gipsy is a personn from a different culture.
A lack of culture and knowledge doesn't transform a random chav into a gipsy.
I have nothing pro or against gipsies, but a chav isn't always a gispy.
they are "just" people leaving outside the society, uneducated scavenger not doing anything usefull, preferring to take rather than to earn.
I have seen lot of gipsies leaving in their caravan in lot of european country where I haven't had any problems with.
It could be good to make a difference between chavs and gipsies.
A gipsy is a personn from a different culture.
A lack of culture and knowledge doesn't transform a random chav into a gipsy.
I have nothing pro or against gipsies, but a chav isn't always a gispy.
