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[john251282]

lol, we are a lucky gym...with some good instructors...they may not be VERY good...but they still know what they're talking bout....one of them has a masters with honours in sports science...so he kinda knows his stuff

as for the protien suppliements...i'm un-decided as to whether or not it works...i've seen guys go on the stuff over the summer, and come back built like a brick-****house...however, that could just be the old "if you believe it works, it will work" type scenario...

If they have a uni background in sport science that is a very good sign and probably does know what he is doing, but as I mention MANY don't.

Those who use protein over the summer and come back much bigger, are most likely to have had this happen because they have been training that much harder and probably each alot more anyway.

"if you believe it works, it will work" type scenario. I think you mean the placebo effect! And yes that is exactly what it is most of the time

 

[impamiizgraa]

Those who use protein over the summer and come back much bigger, are most likely to have had this happen because they have been training that much harder and probably each alot more anyway.

You're probably right there...when people go on the protien supplements/etc, they tend to work harder to "make it work" so i guess therefore they're gonna feel an improvement...
i've found eating more of the right stuff definatley helps...cutting back on the crap!!!

 

[john251282]

john456353474 so you think protein suppliments are bull? surely natural whey protiens cant be bad?

Absolutely!!! A normal person can easily meat (hehe) their protein intake require for someone doing heavy exercise without the use of protein supplements. It is about 1.2-1.4gs of protein per kg of body weight, I think a chicken breast is about 50-80g so most people can easily meet it, however there are ways you can time yours meals to maximie there effect

 

[john251282]

You're probably right there...when people go on the protien supplements/etc, they tend to work harder to "make it work" so i guess therefore they're gonna feel an improvement...
i've found eating more of the right stuff definatley helps...cutting back on the crap!!!

Absolutely nutrition is vital in being able to perform well physically, but normally not in terms of protein intake for to do with fat and carb intake.

 

[impamiizgraa]

Absolutely!!! A normal person can easily meat (hehe) their protein intake require for someone doing heavy exercise without the use of protein supplements. It is about 1.2-1.4gs of protein per kg of body weight, I think a chicken breast is about 50-80g so most people can easily meet it, however there are ways you can time yours meals to maximie there effect

yea, i've done some reading on some of that stuff...not claiming to know too much bout it, but i kinda understand it a bit more now.

however, i've found most of the foods they recomend to eat more of, i can't stand...eggs and fish for instance....can't stand either of them!!! yet they both contain a lot of protien...bloody useful!!! lol

anyways, i'm off now...cheers for the info, will bear some of that in mind

 

[pottts]

john251282 QUOTE "oh and trust me that ATP+Creatine serum stuff is BS(it can have serious side effects that I could not discuss publically)!!!"

This stuff is not BS, plus as for side effects your talk your privates, well i've been taking it for 6 months and my girl friend has not said anything, she's not one to lie either.

impamiizgraa QUOTE "You're probably right there...when people go on the protien supplements/etc, they tend to work harder to "make it work" so i guess therefore they're gonna feel an improvement...
i've found eating more of the right stuff definatley helps...cutting back on the crap!!!"

this may seem to S**T to some people but protein is necessary to repair the muscle that is damaged during a workout. Ok you say that Atheletes don't use it so why do the Lions (Rugby), i know a few pro rugby players and they take to protein. The protein drinks is not meant to be a supplyment instead of eating corretly but to give my protein and improve recovery.

As for Pshycological, i can see this, but why has it made such a differance. Could it not be Biological

This quotes were not aimed at the quoter's but you had the parts i wanted to address.

 

[john251282]

john251282 QUOTE "oh and trust me that ATP+Creatine serum stuff is BS(it can have serious side effects that I could not discuss publically)!!!"

This stuff is not BS, plus as for side effects your talk your privates, well i've been taking it for 6 months and my girl friend has not said anything, she's not one to lie either.

impamiizgraa QUOTE "You're probably right there...when people go on the protien supplements/etc, they tend to work harder to "make it work" so i guess therefore they're gonna feel an improvement...
i've found eating more of the right stuff definatley helps...cutting back on the crap!!!"

this may seem to S**T to some people but protein is necessary to repair the muscle that is damaged during a workout. Ok you say that Atheletes don't use it so why do the Lions (Rugby), i know a few pro rugby players and they take to protein. The protein drinks is not meant to be a supplyment instead of eating corretly but to give my protein and improve recovery.

As for Pshycological, i can see this, but why has it made such a differance. Could it not be Biological

This quotes were not aimed at the quoter's but you had the parts i wanted to address.

1. I was not refering to you ability to perform in the sack and more that I could leave my self open to being sued.

2. If you understood what ATP and creatine actually were and had maybe read some of the thousands of medical journal that are available you would understand that some of the fundimental principles behind a serum based systems are flawed. And are actually designed to get more money from you!

3.There are reasons why pro athletes COULD require more protein, which I won't get into now, but you are not a pro athlete and do not require anywhere near the sort of intake that some people take. As I said 1.2g-1.4g per kg bodyweight is what is recommended for weighting training athletes, these figures are widely except throughout the world and have been EXTENSIVELY tested by numerous universities, there is no advantage of taking more protein and in many cases there are major disadvantages depending on how much higher you go.

4. The placebo effect is one of the most well known effects in physiological testing and is the ENTIRE reason why double blind testing was invented. Your brain is capable of releasing hormones that are vastly more powerful than Creatine such as testostone, these hormones could articifically create the effect you are expecting, i.e. muscle growth etc.

 

[ollgeeze]

3.There are reasons why pro athletes COULD require more protein, which I won't get into now, but you are not a pro athlete and do not require anywhere near the sort of intake that some people take. As I said 1.2g-1.4g per kg bodyweight is what is recommended for weighting training athletes, these figures are widely except throughout the world and have been EXTENSIVELY tested by numerous universities, there is no advantage of taking more protein and in many cases there are major disadvantages depending on how much higher you go.

Is it not more a case of getting better quality proteins though? for example if i eat a steak with 30grams or protein in it my body cant make use of the same amount of protien as if i were to eat 30grams of whey proteins.

 

[pottts]

[/QUOTE] This quotes were not aimed at the quoter's but you had the parts i wanted to address.[/QUOTE]


john251282 i did say that there was no offence taken towards anyone sorry dude, just expressing what i know.

 

[Deker]

Protein supplements DO work, I may not have scientific journals on hand to prove it but I can speak from my experience and that of some of my friends who include a former Mr. Universe, various Mr. Britons (different ages and weight classes) and a few boxers. Protein supplements offer a much higher biological value of protein then most types of food and your body can process it more effectively. (Oh and none of these have been found in the emergency ward at the local hospital with kidney failure!!!!)

Creatine Monohydrate also works although the initial ‘muscle gain’ is in fact water retention but this does reduce a breakdown in muscle fatigue so you do gain strength (which in turn gains muscle size) so once the Creatine has been cycled and you loose the water retention what you are left with is muscle.

When Creatine is taken correctly and you drink enough fluids (4.5 litres per day – not just a few extra glasses) there are no side effects at all, Zef Eisenberg (owner of Maximuscle) paid for independent tests to be carried out a few years back after the BBC ran some bad publicity on it

As mentioned supplements aren’t meant to replace real food but to funnily enough supplement it. Your body can't absorb much more than 20-30 grams of Protein at any one sitting so you need to spread your protein intake over several meals - pro athletes need such a high intake that they usually eat 5-7 small meals to get their required amount so supplements come in handy while you're out and about.

The human body requires around 1 gram of protein per pound of lean bodyweight to maintain its muscle mass while carring out daily duties (walking, climbing up stairs, lifting, etc) once you start adding extra demands on your body you need to increase the available protein to balance things that’s why bodybuilders, boxers and athletes all eat at least 2 grams of protein per pound of lean bodyweight (more if they’re chemically enhanced!)

john251282 QUOTE "oh and trust me that ATP+Creatine serum stuff is BS(it can have serious side effects that I could not discuss publically)!!!"

If you are aware of any side effects and can prove it then you have nothing to worry about as you are legally safe... unless of couse you are the one creating these supplements that cause side effects!