Flyin to America?
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Ah, I am sorry. I am still here, and the current administration does tolerate dissent. I should have said "ignores" or "treats as unpatriotic." I have to give you credit, Mark, in that you do acknowledge and answer those who disagree with you. I would rather see you as chief executive at the moment, on that basis alone.
If necessary, I'll find the quotes where GWB said he didn't allow the protests of Americans to influence his decision making.
Buddha, that's the climate in America right now. Part of it is the dramatic changes in our country* over the last few years, part is due to the election cycle. I will abstain from political discussion on this board in the future.
*pre-emptive war?
If necessary, I'll find the quotes where GWB said he didn't allow the protests of Americans to influence his decision making.
Buddha, that's the climate in America right now. Part of it is the dramatic changes in our country* over the last few years, part is due to the election cycle. I will abstain from political discussion on this board in the future.
*pre-emptive war?
My post wasn't meant as a dig at you (or anybody else) homeboy. But I guess you got that already.Originally posted by Mark790.06
The US heroine market primarily buys from Mexico and South America, with SE Asia and Afghanistan being a distant second and third respectively, but I was not implying that the US does not have a drug problem while Europe does. I was replying to the statement that the US "made" Afghanistan the number one producer of illegal drugs in the world. Even though they've always been near the top, with al Qaeda and the Taliban garnering much of the profits from their sale, but it still takes a market in which to sell it, and by and large that market is Europe. After liberating the Afghan people from the Taliban tyranny, we would've won no friendships by immediately setting fire to their opium fields. Although I wish they were doing a better job convincing farmers to raise different crops, as well as increasing the subsidies to a level comparable to the money they get from growing opium (which isn't all that much), a better drug enforcement policy of their intended markets would also help matters.
For the record I've never started a political thread (and I'm not implying that you said I did). I simply defend my nation's policies whenever I see them questioned. In my heart of hearts I've enjoyed the challenge, although some of you are less challenging than others.As much as this, I feel that only good things can come about from these exchanges, even though both sides never seem to budge, I feel that the continued understanding of one another (even in a slight way) makes up for it.
Never any hard feelings,
Mark
Just expanding on what you posted, as I have some intimate knowledge of these things...(yes, I'm a druglord. Or it could be my dad is closely involved in the anti drug thing....I forget)
Actually the use of Cluster Bombs is not illegal. They're deployment in urban areas has been queried (by human rights groups), under the Anti-Land mine Treaties ratified by only 129 countries, however even the UK govt can't agree on the deployment of Cluster munitions in urban areas either (well no surprises there).Originally posted by TOOLE
America don't seem to be too bothered by the geneva convention, they are using restricted weapons, e.g clusterbombs
technically, they aren't in breech 'cos they only signed bits of it.
Anyway rightly or wrongly, this is a paintball forum, and we appear to be waaaaay of topic. I thought we were debating the costs of flying in and out of the US.
Either way lets leave the jingosim for other sites, as me ol'mucker Oscar Wilde once said "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious"
I don't recall any member of the Bush administration treating anybody as unpatriotic for opposing the war in Iraq. I have, however, heard and agreed with many political pundits who, after laying out the arguements on both sides, concluded that most are misguided while others seem to simply dislike everything about their country.
I appreciate that, and although the prospects of finding out from all the investigative reporters what took place those odd half dozen times in my life I drank to excess and don't remember (especially that night in Palma, Mallorca
) is tempting, I'd just assume not run for president. I don't see where that's relevant. Between 60% and 70% of Americans supported the decision to liberate Iraq depending on the slanting of the news that day, only 20% said they adamantly opposed it at any one time. I for one wouldn't want a president to follow the desires of 20% of the country, even if I were among them.
I don't recall that dramatic change when Clinton bombed Kosovo with not even an imminent or long term threat to worry about from Milosevic.
I didn't want to draw you back into something you're no longer wanting to take part in, but the few things above I felt a need to respond to.
Patriotism is not a right-wing disease. As long as there are nation-states established on this planet, and those states continue to operate as such, nationalism and patriotism should be a goal to acheive amongst it's citizens. Sure, these are tribal characteristics, but the tribe that feels bad about itself, as with a nation, will not be prosperous and is doomed. Of course a democratic nation-state with patriotic citizens is the best and safest combination to have, something Mr. Wilde had no knowledge of living in the Victorian era.Originally posted by stongle
Oscar Wilde once said "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious"
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Ya know, I thought I saw the clitoris the other week, turned out to be the combination of too many Chang beers and Saeng Som (or Thip) Rum.
Somebody told me their girlfriend had a clitoris over 6 inches long, that IS amazing, who was that?