Oh, I forgot that they chronically shot hot, most often when they hit me while reffing, more than a few times of which were in the crotch with cheap paint. In fact, probably 75% of paintguns I've ever had someone chono that turned up hot were Spyders. Some of that might have been attributable to co2, but Tippmanns, Cockers, Shockers, etc. were also running on co2 side by side with them and not at all hot. Have their place? Yeah, as a doorstop or paperweight.