firepower?

[mrstewie]

i'm back

sorry l didn`t reply sooner l was up at my girlfriends.
the information l gathered from the:
http://www.paintballstar.com/gunreviews.html
and l can see there is a difference in quality as you pay more.

l`ve obtained a 2nd hand inferno field for 30 squids ( pounds)
this will be my 'learning' gun to break and fix.
l won`t upgrade it as later this year l'm getting married in the states and if l`m still paintballing then l`ll buy the right marker that suits me and my style of play. l think l will be rec playing, l`ve watched tourney and it didn`t really appeal to me, maybe l should try.

You guys have really helped, now l have to find out how to get this marker going, its old, the tank is empty, it has a barrel and hopper attached.
Any advice would be really welcome.

 

[Tyger]

Firepower the only advantage?

Originally posted by Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK
...Something to note is that if you go to a milenium series event, or NPPL or whatever, how many of them are using low end kit (even the non-sponsored guys n galls) not many

But how many of those players bu an Angel or a Bushy or whatever becasue they think it's what you're supposed to own? Or they don' see a sponsored team shooting a mod and they say "OOO! ME NEED ONE!!!"? Don't think that tournament style players are immune to hype too. "Magic Box" comes to mind...

-Tyger

 

[eric]

Bad Company plays with all Spyders and they are sponsored.(probably cause their big sponsor is Kingman, PROBABLY)

 

[KillerOnion]

Yeah, sponsored is a nice way of putting it actually. Bribed and/or total out and out harlotry comes to mind, but that's just my take on it...to be using and associated with a blatantly inferior gun would even at unlimited expenses paid would be beneath my conscience, and should be beneath that of most. I guess I follow ideals maybe too much, but that is what I was taught while growing up to be the measure of a man.

 

[Manning26]

Onion, I don't understand. I'm certain the Bad Company guys would more than likely be shooting something different if given a choice, but they seem to hold their own with what they've got. Their, 'inferior,' guns didn't seem to hinder them at last year's 'Cup. Any shortcomings those guys have is on them.

I'm wanting to understand exactly what you're getting at. If you were on an established team, and Kingman came to you and asked if you'd shoot Spyders if they took care of you, you'd say no? If you did say no, then why? Spyders aren't amazing guns, but Kingman isn't run by Hitler, I don't get the conscience-wrenching choice. Please explain.

 

[KillerOnion]

Ok, to put it simply: Do you hold Kingman as a maker of quality, 100% reliable, totally competition worthy products? My guess would be if you've paid much attention to them, the answer would be no. But Bad Company being in the spotlight by being a pro team has people looking at them and they present the image that such is the case, in which event they would be selling what most could see at a glance to be a lie. That is where the integrity and conscience issues come into play.

 

[Manning26]

Well, I'm uncertain if I hold any manufacturer to that standard of quality, but I believe Kingman to be comparable to most, as far as honoring their warranty goes. The main problem I see with Spyders coming back to the shop is the need for a new cup-seal, and we know how hard CO2 is on any gun's seals. I'm sure you'll also agree that that malady is usually the owner's fault for not keeping up on basic maintenance. I apologize for bringing this up again, but Bad Co. seems to do fine with what they've got. I don't see an inherent flaw with Spyders, they're blow-backs, but does that really matter? Put a quality air system and barrel on there, and it's pretty-well ready for the tourney field, Bad Co. has proven that. I now understand your point, but I disagree, I don't think anyone's getting any false image. If I saw Spyders just falling apart everywhere, I'd share your concern, and your contempt, but in my experience, I've never seen it.

Have you had a lot of bad experiences with Kingman products, or is it just a perception?

 

[KillerOnion]

I refereed at two different fields on average of at least one day a week over the span of 4 years, and I've spent at least every other one of them fixing at least 2 Spyders a day, an incidence of problems higher than any other gun out there. The field I stayed at first and for the majority of the time earned as much money selling replacement parts and doing repairs for Spyders alone as it did in field fees and air COMBINED. In fact, probably second only to paint. Everything in them breaks. Chronically, almost without fail. This is not an opinion based on random isolated incidents. It's one based on hundreds and hundreds of complaining customers, crying kids, pissed off people angrily waiting 5-10 minutes to start games because of others' gun problems, cuts and scars on my hands, and other reasons to be irritated at the existance of a gun that the very mention of its name immediately produces associated images ignorance, purchase influenced by overly flashy ads (a sub variety of ignorance worthy of its own mentioning), poor or no maintenence, cheap paint, chopped balls, stuck bolts, broken bolts, handles, and springs, stuck triggers, and other things that just make us (my friends, coworkers, fellow tech freaks, teammates, etc.) just shake our heads and try not to slap their owners on sight.

Were I to own a store or field, I would not carry anything associable with a Spyder, only possible exception being barrels, nor would I even think about stocking or selling them. I immediately think less of someone who sells them, and were I to own a field I would be as little as a milimeter away from not even wanting them present on my field at all so that the workers and I would not have to deal with them at all.

 

[Manning26]

If I were going through that Onion, I'd hate the freakin' things too.

I've worked part-time at my local shop for around five or six years, and I remember the problems the original Spyders had, but that's to be expected from many mid to low-end guns when they first start production. Like I said though, it's pretty much been clear sailing for Spyders for a while, maybe we've just been exceptionally lucky, or maybe you were in some sort of Bermuda Triangle for Spyders.

Later, Bud.

 

[SPARKLIE CHICK]

Good luck with your inferno we had some on loan down at site and the marshalls loved them more gas effecient than a spyder. Really easy to strip down just pull out the pin and you can see clear through right down the barrell so nice and easy if you do get a break. There are mods you can do and if you are kind to it and service it you should have a whole lot of fun you can expect to get well over 500 shots to one fill so not too much messing around between games and the cup seals are cheeper than spyders and do go less often. Usually when they do go if you shake the marker and it rattles it's broken, also check it's bedded in properly.

Peace love and cookies sparklie

Onion spyders have their place if you want a starter gun you can tinker with then you do have loads of scope. They are a bitch to feild strip and alsorts of fun and games occure if they don't get tlc they also shoot hotter the more you fire them not ideal when it comes to being cornied after a manic fire fight They won't have the range of a cocker or the speed but neither will many others at that end of the market. Mecanically they are made of a supiriour grade of metals to parhnas although a lot of the parts are interchangable they are so simmalar.