I don't think it's really semi auto if there's a single firing point and all you have to do is get the trigger to vibrate around that point.
Fight Club: Ramping
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So in essence you've been arguing in favor of something that currently doesn't exist while providing "solutions" that don't/didn't take into account the baseline proposition of just what is semi-auto or perhaps more to the point, how should it be defined given the operational capacities of current marker technology. (Which is precisely where Missy and her ilk fail miserably in chanting semi-auto, semi-auto as if saying it often enough will make it true when anyone who has even a smidgen of knowledge knows it ain't.)
I do rather like the recognition of two travel point, essentially a firing position and re-arming position. On its face that sounds like it might actually serve as a starting position to return to real one pull, one shot operation.
Now all you gotta do is find somebody who'd buy that gun.
Not hinting at anything, Rosie. Nor is in the least hazy. It's non-existent! My point is/was, given the way electropneumatic markers operate, that NONE of them are one pull, one shot in the traditional, intuitive sense of that expression whether they are adding 10 or a 100 shots. Nor does it matter if those extra shots are intentional or not, programmable or not.
The semi-auto vs. ramping argument is nothing more than different versions of the same thing. And will remain such until a viable definition of semi-auto exists given the technology.
Loco - I don't have an 'ilk', and nor have I failed miserably at anything (unless I missed something).
If you polled the NPPL event in HB next week with the question 'what is Semi-auto?', then I would guestimate that over 95% of the players there would agree with my brief explanation of it. Are you saying that none of these people would have even a smidgen of knowledge?
Are you so wrapped up in your high-brow (yet endearing) superiority complex that you don't appreciate the general opinion that Semi-auto means the same guns without the ramping ability or adding shots?
Ever think about a job in the civil service? They would throw red-tape parades for you. You would be their Messiah.
and I don't want people to think I have a stereotypical chip on my shoulder - but what do you mean by my 'ilk' anyway?
If you polled the NPPL event in HB next week with the question 'what is Semi-auto?', then I would guestimate that over 95% of the players there would agree with my brief explanation of it. Are you saying that none of these people would have even a smidgen of knowledge?
Are you so wrapped up in your high-brow (yet endearing) superiority complex that you don't appreciate the general opinion that Semi-auto means the same guns without the ramping ability or adding shots?
Ever think about a job in the civil service? They would throw red-tape parades for you. You would be their Messiah.
and I don't want people to think I have a stereotypical chip on my shoulder - but what do you mean by my 'ilk' anyway?
1--must be that time of the month.
2--Everybody could agree. So what? My (repeated) point is that definition is utterly meaningless when confronted by the reality of how modern tourney guns work. There are NO semi-auto guns by that definition.
I am not objecting to your definition nor your desire to see the game played in semi-auto. Only to the stubborn refusal to acknowledge there is presently no such thing in the tourney universe.
3--While I know it impacts sales and business and the bottom line anyone who is legitmately serious about semi-auto needs to first consider how you arrive there from where we are--not simply accept an imprecise, useless definition and call it a day and head for the pub. Even if most everybody thinks that sounds swell. And from peeps who ought to know better it sounds like cynical spin to me.
4--oh, ouch, another cruel if utterly contradictory jab from the mistress of misplaced shots. With an aim like that I'm guessing you couldn't hit water from a boat.
5--nothing in particular. It was a throw away. Why, feeling a wee bit guilty about something or hoping to be offended?
Senor (or is it Senior?) - its always a pleasure
This thing has to start at the Pro league level, and whatever replaces it will filter down to everyone else. The players should also lend support, in a 'I don't ramp' way, a-la 'drugs are Bad'
I do have a plan for this. I will share it with you in HB.
also, see point one
if by this you mean 'the time of the month when random accusations of failure are not to be tolerated, then yes. If you are adding yet another throw-away remark to your repertoir, then might I suggest you throw all of your remarks away, I mean why keep any of them? They're all crap.
When you get back from 'tourney universe' you will find me in the real world. Please bring me a gift back. I like Chocolate.
Peops that know better would first look at the health of the industry. That is the most important thing here, and for once, you must agree. If the industry collapses the 'Tourney Universe' will surely implode, and tons of spoilt, whimpering brats will rain down on the earth, causing untold misfortune.
This thing has to start at the Pro league level, and whatever replaces it will filter down to everyone else. The players should also lend support, in a 'I don't ramp' way, a-la 'drugs are Bad'
I do have a plan for this. I will share it with you in HB.
You started it. Me and my ilk indeed. Shame on you.
Hoping to be offended, yes, but then you knew that....
also, see point one
1--you can call me Gramps if you like.Originally posted by Missy Q
1--Senor (or is it Senior?) - its always a pleasure
2--if by this you mean 'the time of the month when random accusations of failure are not to be tolerated, then yes. If you are adding yet another throw-away remark to your repertoir, then might I suggest you throw all of your remarks away, I mean why keep any of them? They're all crap.
3--When you get back from 'tourney universe' you will find me in the real world. Please bring me a gift back. I like Chocolate.
4--Peops that know better would first look at the health of the industry. That is the most important thing here, and for once, you must agree. If the industry collapses the 'Tourney Universe' will surely implode, and tons of spoilt, whimpering brats will rain down on the earth, causing untold misfortune.
This thing has to start at the Pro league level, and whatever replaces it will filter down to everyone else. The players should also lend support, in a 'I don't ramp' way, a-la 'drugs are Bad'
I do have a plan for this. I will share it with you in HB.
5--You started it. Me and my ilk indeed. Shame on you.
6--Hoping to be offended, yes, but then you knew that....
2--well, what about your failure to spell, 'their' correctly? Or, 'repetoire'? Or the NPPL's failure to come to terms with the PSP in the off season. There's different degrees of failure and the one I was refering to was the failure to acknowledge the real scope of the problem, instead claiming some moral high ground amid the wreckage.
3--nice try but the one ignoring reality ain't me, Thunder Thighs.
(Flowers maybe, but no chocolate. For your own good.)4--No, it doesn't. It begins with guns that are undeniably, unequivocably really semi-auto. Then it's the leagues' job to enforce rules that require such guns. The players are way down the list.
Even so, I'm looking forward to hearing your plan.
5--I know you are but what am I?
6--Water retention issues, again?