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Robbo

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You're right, I don't get it...

Originally posted by raehl
You specifically said jump to NXL, which is why I highlighted that I wasn't talking about the NXL. None of the teams I'm talking about have significant sponsorship, they're just average mostly un-sponsored teams. Do cases of paint cost $200/case over there or something?

How is it, exactly, that the price difference between playing 7-man here and X-Ball here is not significant, but you go to Europe and suddenly moving from 7-man to X Ball is a significant difference? Do you go to buy your paint and they say "$50, but $70 if you're going to use this for X Ball"?

It doesn't make any sense, and as usual, instead of having an explanation, all you have is...



I don't care what teams get for sponsorship over there, because it can't possibly be worse than the teams with no sponsorship over here who somehow still manage to make it work. Maybe I'm wrong and missing something, but you're not exactly offering up a convincing counterargument.


I also have a solution if the european pro teams REALLY want to prioritize the EXL:

Stop flying over here. Even the NXL teams have realized that if they want to do the league right they have to cut back on overseas travel.


Or is the thing I'm missing that you want to do the EXL, *AND* not cut back on anything else you're doing?


- Chris

Yawn :eek:
 

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Pete ?

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff

My reasons for advocating the EXL are simple:

I like the format better, it's more fun, it's better for spectators.

i dont agree with this buddy, i think the first two or three games are great fun, then all you get to see are the same moves on the same field, everyone knows what bunker they are gonna get to, and what move is next, i prefer the larger 7 man format, at least you have options on moves and greater distances to cover both shooting and moving. i think you could jazz up 7 man to be more entertaining than X-ball!

just my opinion!:D
 
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Could always make the field larger....

I've always preferred playing 5-man on "10-man" fields precisely because there are 4+ bunkers per player instead of 2. I think X Ball would play out a lot more fun with a little more field clutter.


- Chris
 

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Everyone knows the sponsorship level is significantly lower in Europe.
But, please explain to me why that makes the EXL impossible ?
Playing 16 x 7-games at a tournament, you use 40-50 cases of paint.
Playing 4 x X-ball games at a tournament, you use 40-50 cases of paint.
I fail to see the difference ?
Then - you say we need to intensify practice !
YES - we DO.... if we want to beat the NXL teams at this format.... but we ALSO do if we want to beat them in 7-man !
Whether teams don't have enough paint for 7-man or EXL makes little difference as I see it..... bottom line is we have too little paint to step up to the level of top US teams, whichever the format !
My reasons for advocating the EXL are simple:
I like the format better, it's more fun, it's better for spectators.
Right ?
Nick

Hey Nick, this is how I see it, firstly, to go in anything less than 100% is pointless.
This commitment requires at the very least 4 days per month plus the guys training in their own time during the week when they can, this is roughly what we do.
Now our paint package as you know is extremely substantial as you know and even we are now feeling the pinch of such a regime.
We are frikkin a-hole lucky in what we got...not every team, in fact hardly any team, has what we have got and those that have are like rockin horse sh1t in Europe.
There just aren't that many teams who can commit to that level.
Now you may well say, no problem, we don't have to commit to that level of training but we do wanna play EXL.
Kool, great, fantastic...but what you gonna feel like when you go up against the teams who can commit to that regime and you continually get ure ass spanked all year. I tell u what, u gonna feel like the LA Ironmen !
They weren’t doing so good and were the prime movers to be allowed to play in Millenniums and NPPL's....a touch ironic don't ya think !
The 7 man assault on the Yanks is really only possible from a few teams over here as you know, you couldn't possibly make a separate league out of those, which is what you are advocating in your comparison...adding you don't see much difference... you see what I am getting at???

Bottom line is, we just don't have enough teams who are sufficiently well backed to create a serious X-Ball league unless some serious is injected into EXL's veins .
 

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I tell u what, u gonna feel like the LA Ironmen!
They weren’t doing so good and were the prime movers to be allowed to play in Millenniums and NPPL's....a touch ironic don't ya think !
{off topic}

Word on the street is that the only reason Ironmen and Effect were allowed to play in the Millennium World Cup event is because they had already purchased their plane tickets by the time the announcement was made that the NXL games that were to be played in Tolouse had been cancelled.

Is this incorrect?

Are NXL teams now allowed to participate in Millennium and NPPL events at will?
 

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Originally posted by ChuckC
{off topic}

Word on the street is that the only reason Ironmen and Effect were allowed to play in the Millennium World Cup event is because they had already purchased their plane tickets by the time the announcement was made that the NXL games that were to be played in Tolouse had been cancelled.

Is this incorrect?

Are NXL teams now allowed to participate in Millennium and NPPL events at will?
Not correct !

Only Millennium as far as I know !

But that could all change tomorrow :)
 

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The NXL is nowhere near what they aspire to achieve and sponsors are already feeling the costs with little return so far.
Companies like Diablo do not get to where they are by making stupid investments. Why would anybody in business want to expand something before it's even taken off? Let's not forget that the states is the largest segment of the pball market period, what chance would a dedicated series have over here?
The industry does not pour money into teams so they can 'have fun'...
If the NXL was competing with the NFL for tv time in the states I could understand, but it isn't gonna happen for a long time yet...
 

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OK, here's the deal, I just got off the phone from Nial and here's what's going on.
When Richmond discussed with Nial the possibility of setting up a serious EXL in Toulouse, Nial quite rightly made it conditional upon, at least 2 American teams making the trip across to play.

This then validates the series in terms of team profile for the league, it allows the EXL teams to gauge and feed off the NXL visitors and also allows potential sponsors to get behind a serious endeavor.

This is apparently what they are working on now, it is not definite by any means but at least this way, it kick starts the EXL into some form of coherent package for Euro teams to consider.

This leaves teams with an option, to invest or not.
There will, in all likelihood be 6 places, with the Yank teams making the league to 8 at each event.
All that remains is to identify the 6 teams who will be offered spots and for them to take up that option if that's what they wanna do.
 

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Sounds interesting..

I've got a question, and don't bother to reply if it's not appropriate here... I won't be offended.

What does anyone thing will happen if an EXL comes into being with two yanks teams making the journey over, and those two yanks teams consistantly take/hold/whatever 1st and 2nd place?

How will the sponsors of the Euro teams view it if their teams can't seem to get a win? How will the teams view it?

Just curious, what with the much talked about huge talent gap between the tops yanks and the top Euros...

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