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My opinion, for what it's worth is this, I wouldn't even bother asking whether we use team names, national names, city names or whatever...that is until we can actually identify some teams who can afford it.

As for nation’s based teams?
:rolleyes: ....I don't think so


X-Ball ain't worth getting into unless you play X-Ball as the sole mainstay of the team.
That is, all the training and resources should be primarily directed toward that team playing X-Ball, you can't mix and match formats.

You can play the odd Millennium or NPPL if you want but to do both just facks things up for both formats.

Now, the expense in terms of training is huge as the backers of the NXL are now finding out.
If you wanna be serious about this enterprise and not get left behind, the paint bill is horrendous, let alone the rest of the finances needed to support such an enterprise.
Anything less than this approach will sentence us to playing second fiddle to the Yanks for years to come and I ain't doing that for nobody.

Ok, all that said, who's left who can afford that type of resource allocation ?
Ton Tons maybe, maybe even Joy, the Russians are being courted by the NXL and will have to choose between NXL and NPPL, the EXL as far as they are concerned is not an even an option as far as I know.
Nexus, we can afford it but do I want to divert resources toward what could end up being a four team league coz I can't see too many other club teams being able to jump on the X-Ball bandwagon without a serious re-packaging of sponsor portfolios.


Hmmm, unless some serious monies are gonna be injected in, then this as I see it, is a non-starter for Europe.

Sure, we can run an X-ball league, but let's not go down the road of just going through the motions, we need to get it right or not bother at all as this year has already shown us.
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
Sure, we can run an X-ball league, but let's not go down the road of just going through the motions, we need to get it right or not bother at all as this year has already shown us.
I wholeheartedly agree with that statement (except the innuendo that Nations Cup hasn't had some very positive effects so far and some degree of success). Let's do it right next year or not at all. And I'm sure the financial difficulties you mention are very real.

But maybe the tooth fairy will drop some gold under a few pillows. If the powers that be see that X Ball is the yellow-brick road to a successful future then maybe they'll get behind it.

I'm bringing this discussion up early so we can explore all the possibilities and limitations before it is too late. I may be naive, but if enough serious interest is shown here in Europe maybe that will help things along.

And I also agree with you, Pete, that the name game is by no means the major issue.

Steve
 

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Originally posted by Wadidiz
I wholeheartedly agree with that statement (except the innuendo that Nations Cup hasn't had some very positive effects so far and some degree of success). Let's do it right next year or not at all. And I'm sure the financial difficulties you mention are very real.

But maybe the tooth fairy will drop some gold under a few pillows. If the powers that be see that X Ball is the yellow-brick road to a successful future then maybe they'll get behind it.

I'm bringing this discussion up early so we can explore all the possibilities and limitations before it is too late. I may be naive, but if enough serious interest is shown here in Europe maybe that will help things along.

And I also agree with you, Pete, that the name game is by no means the major issue.

Steve

Steve, I think it might be best if you put on the table what you think you know or have been told, then and only then can the people who might have some interest in this make some form of valued judgement as to its possibility.

No real point in exploring anytihng if all the cards ain't being shown.
 

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There's no scoop here, especially for you. It is just the way I put the pieces of the puzzle together.

I believe in EXL and want to see it happen. I just want to get better informed and what better place than here?;)

Steve
 
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Steve, are you trying to kill the 7-man format? ;)


EXL wouldn't require much more sponsorship than current teams play with now if it were run more like Divisional X Ball than PSP X Ball. Most teams on this side of the pond seem to have made the jump over to X Ball without any catastrophic financial effects - certainly less traumatizing than, say, making the jump to playing NPPL *AND* PSP. Slight increase in event paint costs, but that's about the extent of it - certainly plenty of mediocerly sponsored teams playing X Ball over here.


I'd say go with city names - seems to be the common theme with other sports over there, right? Last I checked it was the MANCHESTER United, not the UK United.


Course, the real question you should be asking is: "Who is going to front the cash to get this off the ground?" starting with the scoreboard.


- Chris
 

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Originally posted by raehl
Steve, are you trying to kill the 7-man format? ;)


EXL wouldn't require much more sponsorship than current teams play with now if it were run more like Divisional X Ball than PSP X Ball. Most teams on this side of the pond seem to have made the jump over to X Ball without any catastrophic financial effects - certainly less traumatizing than, say, making the jump to playing NPPL *AND* PSP. Slight increase in event paint costs, but that's about the extent of it - certainly plenty of mediocerly sponsored teams playing X Ball over here.


I'd say go with city names - seems to be the common theme with other sports over there, right? Last I checked it was the MANCHESTER United, not the UK United.


Course, the real question you should be asking is: "Who is going to front the cash to get this off the ground?" starting with the scoreboard.


- Chris

Chris and Steve, you are forgetting some things here, the jump from NPPL/ PSP to NXL wasn't that traumatizing, agreed, but that's because those teams were either already getting or were promised, huge paint / sponsorship deals going in.

It ain't the same this side of the water.....end of !!!
Have you any idea what teams get in regard to sponsorship over here ?

The Russians look as though they will ignore any EXL options anyway leaving Ton Tons, Nexus and maybe Joy as the only teams left who could hope to seriously compete in any NXL type league set up in Europe.
As I have been trying to say, Euro teams have to go into this seriously, X-Ball formatted teams ain't for the faint hearted or short of pocket.
Training schedules and playing schedules would require a minimum of a 2 million ball paint deal, and that's just for starters.

Regular training costs money and commitment, some squads will have to be increased and so on.
X-Ball ain't cheap and teams cannot go in cheaply.

Now I got a rough idea of what teams get over here and believe me, the present support packages ain't gonna cut it for the vast majority of pro teams who you would like to enter.

Now Steve, if you ain't gonna let people know what you think you know, then how the hell can this thread actually mean anything ?

Now you hinted to me that you knew something on Sunday night, now if it is support orientated, you need to explain what is potentially on the table, nobody will hold you to any details but you need to expand a little on what could be on offer otherwise all this discussion is academic and meaningless.

Ya know Steve, whenever greenbacks are waved in front of people (I am not talkin about you here) some people tend to show their true colour as being similarly green.
We (Nexus) have already borne witness to this in Toulouse with regard to X-Ball, mention words like Control-Franchise-Team ownership-TV and so on....and the paintball chameleons begin to emerge from the shadows and lands of indecision.
Funny, how for some people, the promise of money clears the mind and fuddles the brain :rolleyes:


In the end, the players on my team will decide which way their resources are gonna be pointed but the way things look at the moment, I think we will stay in the land of NPPL and Millennium.....unlesss you know something that potential EXL teams might benefit from ????????
 
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I ain't talking about NXL teams.

I'm talking about DIVISIONAL X Ball teams. It is not significantly more expensive to play divisional X Ball over 10-man - My teams play 7-man, 10-man and X Ball, I know captains of several who have played all three, and while divisional X Ball can get expensive if you're playing 5-6 matches of it, at that point you've got a paint sponsorship anyway. The rest of these teams have pretty much the same level of X Ball sponsorship as they did/do in 10-man/7-man, it's not anywhere near the crippling difference you make it out to be. We have teams here who play X Ball every other week plus other practices and their budget is working out just fine.


- Chris
 

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I ain't talking about NXL teams.

Originally posted by raehl
I'm talking about DIVISIONAL X Ball teams. It is not significantly more expensive to play divisional X Ball over 10-man - My teams play 7-man, 10-man and X Ball, I know captains of several who have played all three, and while divisional X Ball can get expensive if you're playing 5-6 matches of it, at that point you've got a paint sponsorship anyway. The rest of these teams have pretty much the same level of X Ball sponsorship as they did/do in 10-man/7-man, it's not anywhere near the crippling difference you make it out to be. We have teams here who play X Ball every other week plus other practices and their budget is working out just fine.


- Chris
You just ain't listening or understanding and you are also getting back to old ways here in the way you are posting !!!!!!

I understand what you are trying to say and there is no need to to capitalise 'DIVISIONAL' !!!!!!!!!!!

Now shut up and stay out of threads that don't concern you, if you wanna comment, at least have some idea on the economics of Euro ball and the teams who play over here.
 
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You're right, I don't get it...

You specifically said jump to NXL, which is why I highlighted that I wasn't talking about the NXL. None of the teams I'm talking about have significant sponsorship, they're just average mostly un-sponsored teams. Do cases of paint cost $200/case over there or something?

How is it, exactly, that the price difference between playing 7-man here and X-Ball here is not significant, but you go to Europe and suddenly moving from 7-man to X Ball is a significant difference? Do you go to buy your paint and they say "$50, but $70 if you're going to use this for X Ball"?

It doesn't make any sense, and as usual, instead of having an explanation, all you have is...

Now shut up and stay out of threads that don't concern you.
I don't care what teams get for sponsorship over there, because it can't possibly be worse than the teams with no sponsorship over here who somehow still manage to make it work. Maybe I'm wrong and missing something, but you're not exactly offering up a convincing counterargument.


I also have a solution if the european pro teams REALLY want to prioritize the EXL:

Stop flying over here. Even the NXL teams have realized that if they want to do the league right they have to cut back on overseas travel.


Or is the thing I'm missing that you want to do the EXL, *AND* not cut back on anything else you're doing?


- Chris
 

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What the players want.

I bet Dynasty are really pissed that they missed out on the NXL - NOT!!!!!!!!!

They're laughing they're asses off , making money at every tournament they enter, regardless of whatever other teams are there!

They probably made the best decision ever at the end of last season - to do what they wanted and play as many formats as they could (NPPL, PSP, Millennium Series etc).

You can't have the best league, without the best team in the world in it now, can you?