Electro Ban

[manike]

Rebuttle to TJ

"The RT is a whole lot harder to trigger than an uuber short E-blade for example."

Nope. Not if you know how to set the RT up...

"There are markers that can (with factory settings) be shot fully auto undetectably. "

All guns with factory setting on FA are pretty easy to detect... If you are talking about guns bouncing that's different... (kinda )

"How many guns have their boards examined at tourneys anyway?"

It wouldn't matter if they were. It's nto obvious hardware that you can spot. It's easier and better to do it in the software and programming of the board.

"14bps is still a hosing."

Yep I'll betya most tourny players don't get anywhere near a consistent 14bps.

"Are the cocker cheats still doing the rounds, or are they now all well enough known by the judges to be impossible to attempt? "

Are people still using cockers? There's your answer

 

[Matski]

Im totally for markers that can shoot as fast as possible....

Electro markers do not remove skill, im sure this has been discussed before. Nearly EVERY team uses electo markers now, making the playing field pretty even. I see loads of players with electros firing them with 1 finger, averaging about 5-7bps. The electro markers dont fire much faster than a single trig cocker unless you learn how to fire them. Advantage is gained where a team have learnt how to fire their markers faster......but thats practise/skill not the gun. If a player has learnt how to fire his marker really fast, he deserves every scrap of advantage he gets on the field.
As for bonus balling, its completely necessary in many situations, many players will stretch the grey area as far as they can and thats just part of playing the game hard. If the risk dosnt pay off and they play on, they can expect multiple hits to 'remind' them to self check, simple.
Non playing spectators are also more likely to understand whats going on if they can clearly see who has been hit, more hits make things clearer.

Faster markers help the progression of the sport imo, gun cheating is totally different. Manufacturers are not the problem and clamping restrictions on them due to the actions of a small minority is far from the best solution.

 

[L J]

Re: Rebuttle to TJ

Originally posted by manike
[B"14bps is still a hosing."

Yep I'll betya most tourny players don't get anywhere near a consistent 14bps.

[/B]

exactly...the only time u get high ROF is when u do a double tap or something when u touch it twice in say 0.1 seconds...so thats actually 20 bps. altho thery wont fire 20 balls in one second

 

[paintballer ron]

Originally posted by matski
Im totally for markers that can shoot as fast as possible....

Electro markers do not remove skill, im sure this has been discussed before. Nearly EVERY team uses electo markers now, making the playing field pretty even. I see loads of players with electros firing them with 1 finger, averaging about 5-7bps. The electro markers dont fire much faster than a single trig cocker unless you learn how to fire them. Advantage is gained where a team have learnt how to fire their markers faster......but thats practise/skill not the gun. If a player has learnt how to fire his marker really fast, he deserves every scrap of advantage he gets on the field.
As for bonus balling, its completely necessary in many situations, many players will stretch the grey area as far as they can and thats just part of playing the game hard. If the risk dosnt pay off and they play on, they can expect multiple hits to 'remind' them to self check, simple.
Non playing spectators are also more likely to understand whats going on if they can clearly see who has been hit, more hits make things clearer.

Faster markers help the progression of the sport imo, gun cheating is totally different. Manufacturers are not the problem and clamping restrictions on them due to the actions of a small minority is far from the best solution.

I completely agree with you. I have spent much time sitting around the house playing with the triggers on my guns to get them just right and alot of time just pulling the trigger and figuring out how to shoot it faster. I can't reach 17 yet, I am still sitting on about 14, without bouncing that is. I don't bounce very often, only when I am at the chrono station and want to impress some new players.
Although, since I have readjusted the trigger on my E-Blade, I think I may be able to get alittle higher.

 

[Mario]

matski is it me or are you a controversial *******?!?! you like to wear lots of padding, get the gun to fire as fast as possible etc etc god your just hardcore

As for me i aint bothered. Bonus ballers are just jealous coz they aint as good looking as you

 

[Matski]

Originally posted by Mario
matski is it me or are you a controversial *******?!?! you like to wear lots of padding, get the gun to fire as fast as possible etc etc god your just hardcore

Easy now Mario, people could get the wrong idea...


We should definitely go into Iraq though

 

[Mario]

Easy now Mario, people could get the wrong idea...We should definitely go into Iraq though

lol i'm in agreement with you there
hardcore my arse

 

[joolux.//]

Originally posted by Red_Merkin
Someone made a gun that shot faster, and everyone followed suit, because it would have hurt sales if they didn't
Money again, the greedy b@stards

thats why if gun owners want to play with punters, they should use the punter's gun, or something similar....


sorry to go back to that..

 

[Jamie B]

cockers

spoon

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

I have never shot an RT that would cycle 6 times if you dropped it, they may exist I know very little about mags.

Shooting an electro fast was not one of the skills I was refering to when I said that eletros removed a lot of the skill. I was really referring to other playing skills that can be compensated for by learning to shoot really fast.

The top teams all use electros, but at a smaller tourney level there are more mechanicals (though admitedly this number is dwindling, almost exclusively to do with electro cockers...).

As to cheating with cockers, I am not aware of any cheats that would be that much of an advantage today. Thumbing the cocking rod (which increases velocity IIRC) is damn near impossible with a decent beaver tail and isn't that great an idea anyways, since you can't fire fast and do it, nor can you do ti without beign spotted easily. Maybe there are a great deal more that I am unaware of, but my guess is that msot of them are exteranal and spottable by marshals, though I may be wrong.

If electros were banned it would eliminate the whole fully auto cheat problem (wouldn't it?) making life a lot safer. You can't do the magnete in the glove cheat etc.

I know that there is a great deal that I don't know. I have no interest in cheating (except how to avoid being on the recieving end) so I do not know many ways to cheat.

Come on? What do the rest of you think?