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Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
Still not proven!
Nor unproven.
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
erm which was the last Gulf war, me thinks the one in 2k3.
If the '03 gulf war was fine by you under humanitarian reasons, and Afghanistan was kosher because the UN said it was; where does the bullying part come in?
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
Well mate there was never a 'sexed up' report over Afganistan.
Uh, ya I know. But your 2 sentences, "As for Afghanistan, well they were harboring someone who, all the UN believe committed September 11th. In the end though, the UK, US and some other countries invaded a country based on evidence which a Government expert (god rest his soul) considered suspect." made it sound as if you were still talking about Afghanistan.
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
However the report which was given to parliament by the government has be classed as questionable, and therefore the UK went to war on something which was not definate. That is like hanging someone because 'they mighthave' done it.
If memory serves the "questionable" part of the report was whether Saddam's army could deploy WMD with 45 minutes of being ordered to do so. I've already stated that that was never the reason for the US or the UK had for going to war in Iraq.
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
Is American a race? Yes.
Sure if you mean Iroquois, Seminole, Cherokee, or Sioux.
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
Have they acted selfishly and forced their opinions and way of life on other races? Yes.
Care to explain the British Empire while you're at it? Our way of life is democratic, and our opinion is that the world would be a better place with more of it. The only ones who I am aware that needed to be forced into a democracy are the despots and those they employed.
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
Does a bully force someone at school to do what they want? Yes.
Does a bully give a portion of his lunch money to a hungry school-mate, protect the weaker students from other bullies, or acts as an attractor for those who have been bullied out of their section of the play ground? NO!
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
You may not believe America is bullying nations, but there is a lot of people who do.
Among them: Saddam Hussein, Mullah Omar, Osama bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Bonito Mussolini, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, and Moa Tsi Tung to name but a few.
Originally posted by Loki *Uk*
This I find offensive as I was using this to point out that the US is the main CO2 producer in the world. And the TV programme was backed up by scientific fact.
Believe it or not I'm actually pretty well versed in the theory of global warming caused by Co2 emissions. And it is a theory. If proven, the Kyoto Protocol will do nothing but destroy the worlds economy for nothing more than a .07 degree reduction in mean tempature over 50 years at the cost of $900 billion to the industrialized countries of the world.
 

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Originally posted by Mark790.06
Nor unproven.
Like the assertion that UFOs are visiting our planet from other planets. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but by Occam's Razor, or whatever principle of Scientific Parsimony, the simplist explanation is that they ain't there.

Sure if you mean Iroquois, Seminole, Cherokee, or Sioux.
Right on. The only racial Americans, as I said in my post. The rest of us are European, African, Asian, or whatever.

Believe it or not I'm actually pretty well versed in the theory of global warming caused by Co2 emissions. And it is a theory.
The theory of evolution, the theory that everything is made of atoms, the theory of a round Earth are all theories, born out to various degrees by observation. In science, every assertion is provisional. Global Warming is a widely accepted theory.
 

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Originally posted by gyroscope
Like the assertion that UFOs are visiting our planet from other planets. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but by Occam's Razor, or whatever principle of Scientific Parsimony, the simplist explanation is that they ain't there.
No your right, it is much simpler to say that the UN General Assembly, Bill Clinton, Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, all 15 members of the UN security council were all in cahoots about Iraq's WMD so that America can be a bully. As well as saying that Saddam had a change of heart about his stock piles of anthrax, botchulism, nerve gas, and nuclear weapons research and saw to it that they were all destroyed or moved outside his country long ago without any documentation that could've prolonged his despotic rule or lifted sanctions. Or thousands of people studying UFO sightings and abductions for the past 60 years and producing no empirical evidence is comparable to 200 coalition experts trying to searching for WMD in a country the size of California for 4 months in the midst of, bullets, car bombs, and RPG's.
Originally posted by gyroscope
The theory of evolution, the theory that everything is made of atoms, the theory of a round Earth are all theories, born out to various degrees by observation. In science, every assertion is provisional. Global Warming is a widely accepted theory.
Can you not see that the Earth is spherical and conclude that it is not theoretically so? Or can you see that humans have a tail bone and an appendix, that you can breed a beagle, a broad breasted turkey, a cow that can produce far more milk than it's offspring will ever need, and conclude that plants and animals evolve through selection? Global warming is a distinct possibility. We can see an extreme version on the planet Venus, but does our fossil fuel consumption account for the observed changes in our global climate or is it a natural process as seen from ice core samples predating the industrial revolution? Especially when we've only been studying the Earth's weather for 100-150 years (of a 4.5 billion year history).
 

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OK, OK, as far as the Iraqi WMD, I guess we'll have to wait and see. And wait. And wait. It does seem to me that Saddam was a useful boogieman for Clinton and Bush, but it could be that they were wrong, too.

Maybe the Earth is spherical, or maybe space is curved or something like that.;)

Sorry for the threadjack- no hard feeling, Mark, but I gotta stop the debate, at least in this thread. If you want to keep it up, I'll PM responses to you. Peace.