E-Blade or Angel

[Skeet]

My somewhat meagre understanding of it is...that the Angel (and similar markers) makes the paintball unstable when it fires it, and the Cocker does'nt..it may only be unstable for the briefest time when it exits the barrel, but this still equates to a loss in consistent trajectory, therefore a larger group.

 

[Ben Frain]

Errr yes, I unserstand the theory. I want to know how it manages to do it????? How does a puff of air at the same sort of pressure distort the ball in one marker and not the other - I just can't compute that in my mind???

 

[ThunderCat]

same way a puff of air over my saloon car doesn't stick it to the road the way the same puff of air sticks a formula One car to the road (dunno why so many F1 references in my post today, I blame nick B)

 

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by ThunderCat
same way a puff of air over my saloon car doesn't stick it to the road the way the same puff of air sticks a formula One car to the road (dunno why so many F1 references in my post today, I blame nick B)

But we are talking about the SAME paintball, not two different shaped ones hardly a convincing analogy!

 

[ThunderCat]

yeah but in paintball its not the ball shape affecting the airflow, its the bolt position/shape/velocity etc.

 

[Ben Frain]

But again that is irrelevant as I am asking how does the airflow, bolt position/shape/velocity distort the shape of a paintball in the Angel? And yet it doesn't in a cocker?

Please, don't get me wrong, I would be interested if it was true but it just doesn't make any sense. Please, just explain how this phenomenon is possible?

I'm just a bit sceptical as it all seems a little far fetched and your theories just sound like 'preaching to the converted'.

E-cockers are fantastic markers, no argument there. However,all this more accurate talk is simple nonsense (and the same goes for any marker) and I challenge anyone to prove conclusively otherwise.

 

[ThunderCat]

Perhaps accuracy isn't the correct word to be using here, but consistancy.
The way the air is released onto the ball in a Cocker is (from what I understand, although I don't have a degree in aerodynamics) is more consistant in form. I'm picturing in my head those airflow diagrams you see on how an aeroplane wing works but altered to illustrate the conditions in a markers breach. In the closed bolt system the conditions are more controlled and the resultant turbulence from the air release is less traumatic giving a smoother push to the ball.

Make sense?

 

[|TPB|=SULLY=]

the fact the rounds have paint in makes them unstable to accuracy.av fire a 4o cal auto & that was more accurate than any p8ntball marker av fired & that was a ram.but back to cockers eblade is a teh babby & 1/2

 

[richardmawer]

My understanding of the whole closed bolt and open bolt argument has always been that in a closed bolt marker the ball is discharged from the marker before any mechanical action of the marker jolts it i.e the hammer hitting the valve pin or bolt flying back and forward to load a ball - hence tighter groupings and more consistant flight. Also less impact on the ball from the bolt so less breakage.

An open bolt marker however, loads the ball then fires the ball - which results in more movement of the gun and less accuracy - I am sure that if both types of marker were bolted down to a stable platform such as a bench - then there would be very little difference but in the hands of mere mortals such as us who are hardly the most stable platforms at the best of times - the closed bolt does give a slightly better accuracy - in practical terms. It only takes a few mm movement of the tip of the barrel to be translated into a few cm spread after the ball has travelled for 40m.

I don't think it has anything to do with the same blast of air propelling the ball, as much as practical ability to get a tight group and flat trajectory on the ball which is as much down to the barrel as anything !!!

Hope this helps,

Rich

 

[Ben Frain]

These same arguments has been around for eons. If I remeber correctly Tom Kaye (AGD President) even went as far as performing controlled testing using high speed film and concluded that there was NO difference in accuracy between open and closed bolt markers, the same thing was done over at warpig.com (still in the tech section).

To say they are more stable in your hands is also a fallacy as the cocker has a back block slamming back and forth as you fire

Thundercat, you are switching what I am talking about - Skeet said that an Angel somehow distorted the ball in the breech and the cocker didn't - I asked how this was possible.

If you want to talk consistency instead then this is as much a bi-product of the air source as the marker and again, I don't believe the latest e-blade cocker (Nexus signature say) is any more consistant than the latest Angel (A4).

I am afraid that we are still at the point when nobody is able to explain how a cocker is more supposedly more accurate than an Angel or any other marker given the same paint/barrel and air source variables.