E-Blade or Angel

[Ben Frain]

Tommy, whilst I don't disagree that Dynasty were clearly at odds with the COPS system I don't think that just because they chose to by-pass it that automatically qualifies it as a faulty system.

I thought they origanally opted for eyes on their markers (LCD/IR3) because it lifted the 20BPS limit of the board (even lower BPS limit on the LCD), not because it wasn't doing it's job properly, also the LCD had NO anti chop feature so I can understand their wish to add a ball detection system of some sort to their marker of choice.

Now, this doesn't negate the fact that they were still not happy with COPS/Sensi for some reason as they can be seen with eyes fitted on their Speeds etc. However, perhaps more interestingly I thought I remembered sjt19 posting here that he saw the evidence of multiple breech breaks when he marshalled at campaign this year (with ACE'd markers). However, I'd have to double check that post...

However, regardless, the point has already been made that any ball detection is flawed in some way. I love E-blades and I love Angels but I have had just as many problems with the ball detection systems each employs.

One thing should be clear though, for the sake of the original poster, either of these markers will be just fine - both are tried, tested and reliable and backed up by excellent support...

Just pick the one that feels most comfortable or you like the look of!

 

[richardmawer]

Eblade - Eblade - Eblade

No contest - both top end markers but the Eblade is way better as an all round gun.

I've used mine for past 8 months without a problem - totally reliable, fast, accurate and light !!!! But above all you'll find that a blade with the eye set up correctly will shoot any paint without any problems - virtually eliminates ball breaks.

Also really consistant over the chrono - little variation.

And if you get the new Eclipse internals and QEV's fitted - it will mow with any gun out there.

Also check out the new Planet website - www.planeteclipse.co.uk - the prices are right in your range.

Hope this helps - I know it's not "totally" unbiased but it is an honest opinion.



Rich

 

[Ben Frain]

Eblade - Eblade - Eblade

Originally posted by richardmawer
No contest - both top end markers but the Eblade is way better as an all round gun.

I've used mine for past 8 months without a problem - totally reliable, fast, accurate and light !!!! But above all you'll find that a blade with the eye set up correctly will shoot any paint without any problems - virtually eliminates ball breaks.

Also really consistant over the chrono - little variation.

And if you get the new Eclipse internals and QEV's fitted - it will mow with any gun out there.

Also check out the new Planet website - www.planeteclipse.co.uk - the prices are right in your range.

Hope this helps - I know it's not "totally" unbiased but it is an honest opinion.



Rich

I hate to keep repeating myself but everything you have just stated can be said about an Angel.

Richard in your first line you state "No contest - both top end markers but the Eblade is way better as an all round gun." can you qualify that statement in any way, rather than just the fact that you personally prefer the eblade?

 

[Gadget]

It always comes down to personal preference. There is no way that anyone can empirically say that an E-blade is 'best' or vice versa.

This board has quite a noticeable E-blade bias, probably because so many people affiliated with Nexus and/or Planet are regular posters.

I've shot both and own neither. When working properly I doubt there's a gnats wotsit between them in performance terms, they just feel different to use. If forced to choose one of the two I'd opt for the Angel because it's more compact, prettier and hasn't got any external moving parts.

But then again some people like markers that look like parts bin specials and would opt for the cocker instead

 

[richardmawer]

Ben

As I said - this is a personal view - based upon playing and training regularly with an Eblade. We have both markers in the team and as TC has said earlier in the thread - players have moved from Angels to Eblade's not becuase of any sponsorship deal or pressure from the management but due to the fact they have preferred the gun as an all round better package.


Rich

 

[Ben Frain]

I appreciate what you are saying but for the benefit of the original posters question, what is it about the eblade that made you switch from Angels? If the eblade is doubtlessly better, what makes it so? Why do you personally prefer it over an Angel? Have you owned an Angel? What was it about it that you didn't like? I'm just curious as to peoples reasoning for their statements...

There is doubtlessly a fashion market for eblades at the minute, not that they aren't able to stand on their own without it, far from it, but regardless of their actual ability they are the 'it' marker to have in the UK at the minute, just as, by all accounts timmy's are the 'in' marker to have stateside.

If people are going to claim that a certain marker is better than another I just like to hear some empirical reasoning or it just ends in a little bit of a 'I love my gun better than you love yours type of thing' - that's a crass expression of it but I'm sure you understand what I mean.

 

[Skeet]

E-Blade's are Fashionable at the moment:

Cockers and Mags were the two best markers you could get, back in the day. If you were a Pro, it was a Cocker or a Mag, period. Even when the electros came out, with 12bps etc, some people still chose a Cocker, with a well set up trigger, as they could still shoot nearly that fast, were used to the marker and of course the fact that they are so accurate in the right conditions, where other markers might fail.
So, cockers have always been popular, but with the advent of speed, 'ballers had no choice but to get the next best thing, because at the time it was faster..not as reliable, not as accurate (some might say) but much faster.
When the E-Blade and Race grips turned up, it meant that all the people who liked Cockers could go back to one, and no longer have to worry that they wouldnt be able to keep up...so they are not Fashionable at the moment, they are back on top.

E-Blade's are more accurate than Angels:

As has been said, closed bolt markers are cycling before and after a ball has been fired, which means movement, which means a change in position of the marker, which means a change in the flight path of the ball. You might say that a Cocker moves lots or kicks when it fires, it may do, but it does it in consistent, controlled way, which means the conditions are the same/similar for ewach shot which is what accuracy is all about.
Also, the way a Cocker imparts its charge of gas to a ball, Where and When) makes the ball stay more "ball shaped" in the barrel, and therefore will fly straighter through the air, which leads to a smaller group (assuming that you have a consistent charge of air and a good paint to barrel match, as applies to any marker).
I think this is about right, either way, too many people have told me that the Cocker they have now, is more accurate than the Angel/Impy/Timmy etc they had before (and the fact that I have witnessed it for myself)..Bunker Imp had an E-Blade, sold it bought an IR3 then used my E-blade, so he sold the IR3 and bought another E-Blade..all I did was set up his trigger for him, which was the only thing he didnt like about his first E-Blade (and the eye was knackered on that one but he didnt suss that!)

Angels are better looking than E-Blades:

My bird is better looking than yours and my E-Blade makes your Angel look like the back of a Bus with a picture of Lisa Riley on it!!
Of course thats just my opinion...
Angels are very smooth and compact, if that is what you like...great.
However, you might have trouble milling an Angel to how you want it...to make it different from every other Blue Dust IR3 out there.
A bulky, blocky cocker can be milled to within an inch of its life...to your specification...a blank canvas if you will...

Angels dont need upgrades, and Cockers do:

Nope...Angels CANT be upgraded (apart from a Volumiser or whatever) and Cockers CAN be upgraded from the most basic to the best...from the same Marker...Ie...You can buy any basic cocker, maybe seconhand, and gradually turn convert it to a Nexus standard cocker...you cant turn an LCD into a Speed or an A4...If you want that performance and Kudos, you have to spend the best part of a grand, in one go...

I will say that I think the E-Blade trigger doesnt have quite the same sort of adjustment as say, an Angel...the way it works means it has limitations (i have found)...this may be because other variations cause bounce or whatever, but I dont know so I cant say...that said, im not saying you cant make an E-Blade trigger very sweet, because you can...

Its very difficult to go by what Top teams use..as they are generally sponsered to use a marker, so are likely to shoot whatever because its to do with money in some cases, and generally speaking, there isnt a great deal between the top markers.

Erm...ask about, I was going to buy a Speed...I cant say for sure if I would have been better off or not, because I didnt buy one, however, im happy with the E-Blade...and so are many others.

I have other things to do now, so im gonna stop typing and blow my nose [sniff]....

 

[richardmawer]

Thanks Skeet !!!!

I think that sumss it up !!!!

 

[Ben Frain]

Again, your paragraph about accuracy seems to negate the known facts of physics.

The same object (paintball) leaving the same tube (barrel) at the same speed (295fps) will travel the same distance at the same accuracy, regardless of the closed/open nature of the firing marker. Skeet, can you explain how the Angel distorts the ball? It's an interesting theory but I would welcome an explanation as to how? I have had both markers for some time and have never found any accuracy difference between the two...???

If you bench mounted the markers to take people's aim out of the equation and the same paint/barrel match was used and both markers fell within +/- 3fps then you would get exactly the same accuracy. Again please explain to me how anything to the contrary is possible. Closed bolt/open bolt makes NO difference whatsoever.

These tiny little differences such as puffs of air/sealed breeches closed/open bolt etc pale into insignificance compared to more likely and common variables such as good quality paint, a good barrel match, air source consistency.

To argue these sorts of differences is the same as arguing that cockers are inherently slower off the mark than an Angel because the bolt has to come back first then a ball has to fall into the chamber, then it can fire said ball, whereas an Angel just has to fire on the awaiting ball. HOWEVER, let us be realistic - it won't make sod all difference in real world terms. Give me an Angel and a Nexoid his Cocker and he is still going to snap shoot me out 10/10 times.

The point I am making is that the differences between these markers are so tangible as to not make a difference to someones game.

Choose the one you like the look of, that you feel more comfortable using, that has the closest support. They will both offer performance most of us will struggle to get the most of!

 

[ThunderCat]

But the fact stil remains that I know of quite a few angel owners who want to switch to an eblade after trying one.
It can't be based solely on the looks or how comfortable they feel with it because they are comparing their own personal angel that they have set up for them, with someone elses E-blade.